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Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2023 00:55:39 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Request karma privileges to vote on PHP RFCs
From: davidgebler@gmail.com (David Gebler)

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On Tue, Jul 4, 2023 at 8:30=E2=80=AFPM Nuno Maduro <enunomaduro@gmail.com> =
wrote:

> Hi Internals,
>
> I am writing to request karma privileges to vote on PHP RFCs.
>
>
I'm not a voter and have no influence here but from previous discussions
which have come from similar requests, I don't think you're likely to get
this. The conventional or common view is that without a regular history of
contributions to internals, both via this mailing list and proposing,
designing, implementing, fixing or otherwise aiding with RFCs, voting
rights are not typically granted. And even whether those criteria are
sufficiently met is a somewhat subjective thing.

I do think the system and criteria for choosing who gets to vote is
something which needs to be modernised and changed, particularly in respect
of recognising significant userland authors and contributors, but the
problem is probably that whenever this has come up before, no one's been
able to propose a sufficiently agreeable solution. We probably all share a
general principle of belief that PHP should be as open a democracy as is
practical, but there must also be a consideration for the fairly small
group of regular, core developers who are responsible - voluntarily - for
the majority of the work maintaining the new features which work their way
in.

I appreciate this is therefore not a straightforward matter, even though
like anyone else I'd like to be able to have a say in the future of the
language I love and use every day. I think the best thing there and what I
try to do myself is just make sure your voice is heard on this mailing list
on the discussion period of any RFCs which interest or concern you. This
mailing list is open, anyone can participate, no special karma needed. I've
had one small RFC and a couple of minor bugfixes accepted too. So we know
it's possible to give something back at whatever level and to whatever
extent we are able and willing, and we don't need to be able to vote to do
that.

-Dave

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