Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:120739 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 30614 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2023 14:01:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2023 14:01:40 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EE4A18054E for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2023 07:01:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,T_SPF_TEMPERROR autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-wm1-f44.google.com (mail-wm1-f44.google.com [209.85.128.44]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2023 07:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-f44.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-3fb4146e8fcso38695685e9.0 for ; Mon, 03 Jul 2023 07:01:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=datadoghq.com; s=google; t=1688392895; x=1690984895; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=NqDWdFZ+9szxqDm7ND/CeFzA70kEh5sCDdCYbfD2z2c=; b=WbPcTRWRF/VANtNFZMNCljzbjSDyVgQswFS+unx0pzqNvxYNIw5NikjTX0M9WczK4K 4El/WbxbUI8P2Locft3BECHbegD6PRa2F1/LPdLZNrtAulVJQfsYZqM9KY4CYMJFctCY n4sLObd7g9xXw8UV/YCR8QMyJ3OAGCzSqAtD4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1688392895; x=1690984895; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=NqDWdFZ+9szxqDm7ND/CeFzA70kEh5sCDdCYbfD2z2c=; b=lRe2SuroF0wtqT38ysu7rxbix5e+0cZ6TKKao4BEz2K0OF+yaAsIH9jyptOnGhRtyb 91bOyjB+UzKTZZMVc7b9fo6L1m6cXA3WrQZ+fX9TMeUVQzCk40I2SiIhlTQukW6H66Jv zGwhH5NXwxoO2nyyP/ez6AdRIIqLR910jyPRJMNcNbp7nycmLYYPqglgREuFn2WnJxKo DaJUSXJubLzW81oc1Pi4XymCiSJD3LtbH+6r4K7VtOqZ3BwHsH89QDUsKwpNZ+5gKq7C dusMFoVm1XDaRIaiLCTohE/+1u41D6UH8l6up+Nn5pMuZZ+KbxXa01OAyCoAtVmha4hw V14Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDwa5WhNXdrI2WvsVl3s21EL4FZS4sGn3OfygenVXSpWNh/e/yRS 61u1UWpD3KV58Ew/A9DnzS7LvHZryUUqP+Xb5P/pK5O78aHDmrQSBZAeZA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ7NP4SlOK6/rcKxpESGUtnGSU0lIh6buk2TpSgf+Jh0lQe+PDFxKA9+vM4B6P5ypOUMG/dm3NQuglnyedjEfmo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:880c:b0:3f7:e78e:8a41 with SMTP id gy12-20020a05600c880c00b003f7e78e8a41mr14548341wmb.18.1688392895331; Mon, 03 Jul 2023 07:01:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1e06cdac-a605-b444-9b52-3d2602ce3a3c@bastelstu.be> In-Reply-To: <1e06cdac-a605-b444-9b52-3d2602ce3a3c@bastelstu.be> Reply-To: Levi Morrison Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 08:01:24 -0600 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Tim_D=C3=BCsterhus?= Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Interface Default Methods From: internals@lists.php.net ("Levi Morrison via internals") On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 2:54=E2=80=AFAM Tim D=C3=BCsterhus wrote: > > Hi > > On 7/3/23 02:11, Levi Morrison wrote: > > Chatter on the [Interface Default Methods RFC][1] has been quiet for > > the past 6 days, and the feature freeze deadline is fast approaching > > for PHP 8.3, so I'm moving this to vote. It'll be open for two weeks > > as usual. > > I'm not really sold on the proposal in the first place, but I find it > incredibly problematic that there were non-trivial changes to the RFC > text just 4 minutes before voting started and having the justification > "it will be easier to change if bad". > > Combined with the phrasing of the email I'm replying to, it looks like > this proposal is attempted to be forced into PHP 8.3 for some reason, > without fully thinking it through / without allowing an in-depth > discussion. This is probably going to bite in the longer term. > > Best regards > Tim D=C3=BCsterhus > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: https://www.php.net/unsub.php > I suppose different people will think different things about what 'trivial' means, but the main changes were announced 6 days earlier on the mailing list, and there was no discussion about it all. I consider that to be fine. I also do not consider that to be hurried.