Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:120733 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 17267 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2023 11:40:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2023 11:40:03 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FCF01804B3 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2023 04:40:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-yb1-f172.google.com (mail-yb1-f172.google.com [209.85.219.172]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2023 04:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yb1-f172.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-bff27026cb0so4822900276.1 for ; Mon, 03 Jul 2023 04:40:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1688384401; x=1690976401; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=/juCjWBlboaEwIdDvMJh0gZyJ1SJbre13GtxkE3H3uo=; b=HJudgc8wDxEVipU3yCDSMR8FqBS1C8SLdQMSlZDh22xxsXVrJNbvxOQbG3Jz+wnqmw BAB4pN9qQdamCndTjVHF1p1swhhbVuDa4I+v0qEiWsC7nI/LVPjJ+VfuvKvCsdhuLZqH 2PQ+3JLczreDjc3iWXqhasCKFTiyPyjjLYZi6hKu2g72WYfn2u8tQODZq3d8ejgNyafi BiaEaFTGaj//cB/7S1inYu9fshxmnwZeCURx7JjfDz8bT7lSpcK6aW9PkCQYfTCFmQmE 3zlAfPJtIrXS84lEXwHyPXS6ACaLnDpHe7sC2EyDAP72jiDYLkLfX5MhURRrA9bZtPaI ppVg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1688384401; x=1690976401; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=/juCjWBlboaEwIdDvMJh0gZyJ1SJbre13GtxkE3H3uo=; b=RIvvFnWy4BTtcy6MnOsi+a9d/BqqLLTCUG7xyibiye5sxaEdhq/Nfe8D75sJaZ1RMp aWQTiVbwod4OJ7SPPDXqp5V5wCY5MsKbt7GKCPIrkmbfWISpRg+tV/9qsSEjN1rc/UcI C7FpPsp5QlZtcVnw7VNoaACJuucQBX/sgS9cf3BvoYIPHR7fc2pt6A4dk2/ijy9dfylL qwtAjK3Pg4WpyOCOciJcjIAdUOhI8KGl7969GvrQJqfCl+0hZVo3dz0dgQeYFT7mLrWW gLNE8U/ceakZozI90B0/QV5UWazqmoRANt2NpLG5QAt6L31LPV4UL4ZSH+o4PEt8GXu0 c0lA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLaqosfG8ssuJ5ICzRgj+PaDL/YiuJArwksbiQouWQSdXEygZpGE rlTqGREsrIeBsI7cM4wURyAAGIwAFkB8kvjQiOW3xdaRBUGvPw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlH4LLCku//JU98bmz0DGG3wFPVkSX5/B5uZuSQ9b4oyyjASDF8ngSQHKIvYwIMOR9eedsNo079p/NgMv2hSJVE= X-Received: by 2002:a25:9d84:0:b0:bdd:85d:a5eb with SMTP id v4-20020a259d84000000b00bdd085da5ebmr8244247ybp.42.1688384401103; Mon, 03 Jul 2023 04:40:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1f8bbbc5-e22a-8bf7-25a2-737d2b7ccfa1@heigl.org> In-Reply-To: <1f8bbbc5-e22a-8bf7-25a2-737d2b7ccfa1@heigl.org> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 13:39:50 +0200 Message-ID: To: Andreas Heigl Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000078e35605ff93a07e" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Interface Default Methods From: michal.brzuchalski@gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Micha=C5=82_Marcin_Brzuchalski?=) --00000000000078e35605ff93a07e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Andreas, pon., 3 lip 2023 o 06:33 Andreas Heigl napisa=C5=82(a): > Am 03.07.23 um 02:11 schrieb Levi Morrison: > > Chatter on the [Interface Default Methods RFC][1] has been quiet for > > the past 6 days, and the feature freeze deadline is fast approaching > > for PHP 8.3, so I'm moving this to vote. It'll be open for two weeks > > as usual. > > > > Thanks to everyone who discussed weaknesses in the RFC during the > > discussion phase. > > > > [1]: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/interface-default-methods > > > I've voted "no" on this RFC for one simple reason: > > For me an interface is about the abstraction of a contract. It defines > how different parts of code interact with one another without having to > know about the implementation. > > With this RFC we are adding implementation details to the abstraction. > > That requires knowledge about the implementation of different parts of > the code. Which we do not have when defining an interface. I disagree, look at the example I presented in my other response, one method can use another to provide a default method which you'd be including via trait in every implementing class because as it only uses another interface method. This means that you don't need to know anything about the implementation itself at all. You're free to use other interface methods and don't need any properties or implementation details. Cheers, Micha=C5=82 Marcin Brzuchalski --00000000000078e35605ff93a07e--