Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:120731 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 2910 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2023 08:54:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2023 08:54:13 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFCE180209 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2023 01:54:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS24940 176.9.0.0/16 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from chrono.xqk7.com (chrono.xqk7.com [176.9.45.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2023 01:54:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bastelstu.be; s=mail20171119; t=1688374450; bh=IXCo/KZCtH/MjOVO2U2vpKEC+2gLGz0NnJMz3Xf7E8s=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:from:to:cc:subject:message-id; b=I56lCf2FvBdmilfGOmQqsnhzkZg2k2Z1fUoATbUhE6QtxpHZOfzlgL8W3jSYEvHVv FPTW8Gi/8/4g0+AwhOlgKkzWx90GJqBH2V07tHxUUfnR2y10mm3UhSf+x8lSvOxFX7 ISEP319FfUrGqhib7VQ09HUxdYRCePxc/Re0A5BnOSk/bCEvM17o+ge0woHGuxxT64 KkyxjLcWnxAPYbyc1/GOPUlxs0n3Wkd+LrS9pm1fEaTECeCKuD5s408w+VnbudejoX OOPayX1lhmgX5cdYoXACeVsFyddm82rbrcTIgC+QIzuwkaEXNDUIkLsaVYZ8GAyJTD oY6kNRo/BVFnA== Message-ID: <1e06cdac-a605-b444-9b52-3d2602ce3a3c@bastelstu.be> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 10:54:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en-US To: internals@lists.php.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Interface Default Methods From: tim@bastelstu.be (=?UTF-8?Q?Tim_D=c3=bcsterhus?=) Hi On 7/3/23 02:11, Levi Morrison wrote: > Chatter on the [Interface Default Methods RFC][1] has been quiet for > the past 6 days, and the feature freeze deadline is fast approaching > for PHP 8.3, so I'm moving this to vote. It'll be open for two weeks > as usual. I'm not really sold on the proposal in the first place, but I find it incredibly problematic that there were non-trivial changes to the RFC text just 4 minutes before voting started and having the justification "it will be easier to change if bad". Combined with the phrasing of the email I'm replying to, it looks like this proposal is attempted to be forced into PHP 8.3 for some reason, without fully thinking it through / without allowing an in-depth discussion. This is probably going to bite in the longer term. Best regards Tim Düsterhus