Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:120723 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 31307 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2023 12:51:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2023 12:51:55 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA34180382 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2023 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NONE, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS19151 66.111.4.0/24 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2023 05:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDAC5C02EA for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2023 08:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap50 ([10.202.2.100]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 02 Jul 2023 08:51:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= garfieldtech.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to; s=fm2; t=1688302311; x=1688388711; bh=AojW4B1Vg5 a47AdfHN8VbXzK0L70rFyqFAobgQkoxEg=; b=YX0aJiQEy96FpmFnbam+rmRNcb 4aR7qFtPYgu5O7sBMAe/FonBkCCfLy1BmSSs5xKnuw5ey7M2YtGrbwR6jtJRqP2D ZsFtr8wSTe/dLixRXw+q72UIRhvxhZhQWtHsylvixG7SYqoyeBxxwD9RaLKBGq2L LCFIw3HFF3qBWcXhXrax3UNOM4L7O+Wd7704LgXhjh8wS/nppcJNuG3wGC29h4bJ 3bP5dTfhtDXs/Gg3lMOXEGbGz2jhNk3CfaBH26ANG/+MIgfxihvYrO77VMbI0jen E8l8QQT6O9Q21vvrJ2zaP8ExtlgvklgrJ1LJy18s6VJmu7wiu+mDFEEzlbwA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; t=1688302311; x= 1688388711; bh=AojW4B1Vg5a47AdfHN8VbXzK0L70rFyqFAobgQkoxEg=; b=V bpw7SrT231BB74zSCfTPtLrfPhRaWasnXVecBU4d9pQFTKPk6gK/TQYSqfYdMwuu BU6HuRccBtoWY6gwOXGY93JZikYzSLmM9Z8XjUEOAYx/mAVC0tpXC+JYWH+a2wsF hDdaDvoe1mh3SU+fibZf1UphSu85dJw6TcM5PkWzqYElSY8yxgzpwha60B3vlsep NKcuI/5I8AppByltAxYiTa0FeNlXoskpm8jU5zaYhSQZMB0sY3/yyW/P0w5Zg478 +PdP8ZU66jpxUUUPX/Oj6GoqDhN95u6tPhwbwFGq9FZRpS7TzauQ0cxUCZN35ovh smhw4RELe3SCYgBwwkU7w== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedviedruddtgdehjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtgfesthhqredtreerjeenucfhrhhomhepfdfnrghr rhihucfirghrfhhivghlugdfuceolhgrrhhrhiesghgrrhhfihgvlhguthgvtghhrdgtoh hmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeggeehgfetjeehgefggefhleeugefgtdejieevvdet hfevgeeuudefleehvdetieenucffohhmrghinhepphhhphdrnhgvthenucevlhhushhtvg hrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehlrghrrhihsehgrghrfhhi vghlughtvggthhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i8414410d:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2CE6A1700096; Sun, 2 Jul 2023 08:51:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.9.0-alpha0-499-gf27bbf33e2-fm-20230619.001-gf27bbf33 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0c12f017-7261-4581-a1e3-9cc04fd37db6@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <641b1ca0-d33f-4f38-ae64-81b4abce24da@app.fastmail.com> References: <641b1ca0-d33f-4f38-ae64-81b4abce24da@app.fastmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2023 07:51:29 -0500 To: "php internals" Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [RFC] Property hooks, nee accessors From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield") On Mon, May 8, 2023, at 4:38 PM, Larry Garfield wrote: > Ilija Tovilo and I would like to offer another RFC for your=20 > consideration. It's been a while in coming, and we've evolved the=20 > design quite a bit just in the last week so if you saw an earlier draf= t=20 > of it in the past few months, I would encourage you to read it over=20 > again to make sure we're all on the same page. I'm actually pretty=20 > happy with where it ended up, even if it's not the original design. =20 > This approach eliminates several hard-to-implement edge cases while=20 > still providing a lot of functionality in one package. > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/property-hooks > > --=20 > Larry Garfield > larry@garfieldtech.com Hi all. Ilija was unfortunately hit with multiple technology failures this month= , which slowed down final development of the hooks proposal. While we=E2= =80=99re pretty comfortable and happy with the design at this point (and= it seems most people in the discussion thread are as well), Ilija is co= ncerned about passing it this close to feature freeze, on the off chance= that some undiscovered implementation detail may necessitate a small AP= I change (and thus another RFC). Given the timing, therefore, we=E2=80=99re also going to delay the vote = until later this summer (probably), after Ilija=E2=80=99s had time to ba= ng on the implementation a bit further to make sure there=E2=80=99s no h= idden gotchas. That will unfortunately push it to the 8.4 cycle. On th= e upside, that will give it a very long settling-in time so that by the = time it shows up in a stable version it=E2=80=99s rock solid. Thanks for sticking with us. We=E2=80=99ll provide another update when = Ilija=E2=80=99s comfortable with the state of the implementation. --Larry Garfield