Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:120364 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 62339 invoked from network); 19 May 2023 20:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 19 May 2023 20:51:11 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13822180547 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 13:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_NONE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS29838 64.147.123.0/24 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.21]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 13:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 174713200094 for ; Fri, 19 May 2023 16:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap50 ([10.202.2.100]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 19 May 2023 16:51:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= garfieldtech.com; h=cc:content-type:content-type:date:date:from :from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm1; t=1684529469; x= 1684615869; bh=9UHnkpNJzN70TSXNvrNFHMlViwynIpId5NTSRuk/3/E=; b=Y R5OLqmelIolBlyIEN0VGeeutVCrcq4VaUqRKLvAJTM70F//08BF1JpBwcodQzU2D av1j6abOHM4uMayuFtOkgRX7V42DMj1ZrV8AMBxKIYOMHykNevdcfe74tpLj6KNH 5iH1E+wFHsWTs0NBkz0D509d+X88WeiWQHuJGa0hiDXqTzTXETrtdt3lfGzQ05YB rLTqCjgmIiXuBwByKtSy4i8Qb/J4TtCs75UWgEIXvdlty68U4oOT5ONFeEECA1S7 3eCv5uGdqN4c3vk5hOLbAngfNuX0QM9UIa51L+l0UVDImqp9J5gHhepFJWXEkCwO hXmZtPho7Nsf5yVcnja0w== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1684529469; x=1684615869; bh=9UHnkpNJzN70T SXNvrNFHMlViwynIpId5NTSRuk/3/E=; b=TgI7/kyAVk3sj54iifL+fjq2IFbgi jPizVTWRw6X8FWxgdwiGm3aoXXwf+JPCUUwBAObxLExDvd1K0vluEYSezpZNelpS +FN5+QMWkyWJmbzciMbclBNhlgaJLN1WidrttOE1oCmol73o5oUnXY/RwEDO9Rvk KskMD1NSo22JCPTqK/vXhjTL3X64mxee6D1BsE10hlSBFFto6ylpev/uRBs/DF3r xRC/K1q+zHz07xS3glL7LAiQVh+b/GMjuYe/YN1k8keOJM68GsuyV0b+x2Wj0TJl HXPsq9D05rEfIfHiPvdiJZXkLyFEUnjXaSJLNxr2k/Mtk4ZV/dZXdQIzQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrfeeihedgudehgecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttdertderredtnecuhfhrohhmpedfnfgr rhhrhicuifgrrhhfihgvlhgufdcuoehlrghrrhihsehgrghrfhhivghlughtvggthhdrtg homheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepgeelgfekudeivddvteffueejffdthfejieevhefg ffekudevkedtvdelvddvffefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpe hmrghilhhfrhhomheplhgrrhhrhiesghgrrhhfihgvlhguthgvtghhrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i8414410d:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 717FB1700089; Fri, 19 May 2023 16:51:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.9.0-alpha0-431-g1d6a3ebb56-fm-20230511.001-g1d6a3ebb Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <57449ccc-c46e-439a-b95b-eb1b6bf2f2ae@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <000201d9897f$aa9f9fa0$ffdedee0$@roze.lv> <3DD7832A-5A32-4F21-88F9-FA95B172013D@newclarity.net> <78f4df4c-10e3-47e8-89d9-826058e450ea@app.fastmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 20:50:49 +0000 To: "php internals" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Package for PHP From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield") On Fri, May 19, 2023, at 6:55 PM, Robert Landers wrote: > I'd also like to add that I like the 'hands-off' approach that PHP has > taken in the past. I'm not a fan of some of the PSRs. I literally had > someone tell me a few months ago that I would never be a 'real > programmer' because I used tabs instead of spaces which is against the > PSR-12 spec (which is my only deviation from the spec, and why is that > even in the spec in the first place? :sigh:). Luckily for me, I guess, > I think I'm 'real programmer' ... even though it still feels like a > hobby (even 20 years later), but people pay me a bunch of money to do > it and people seem to like my work. As the person who has recently taken over as Editor for PER-CS (which is the new edition of PSR-12), let me state for the record that person is full of shit and you're welcome to tell them I said so. :-) That said, people really get fussy about the coding style PSRs/PER, but FIG has done way more than that, and arguably much more important things. :-) But I digress... --Larry Garfield