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Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 15:02:51 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Package for PHP
From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins)

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On Fri, 19 May 2023 at 08:45, Arvids Godjuks <arvids.godjuks@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think this whole thread can be summarized into a single statement:
>
> "Let's integrate PSR standards into PHP core and ship those interfaces as
> part of the language"
>


That's one of the angles that's come up, but there are also some other
interesting ideas, a lot of which are actually independent of each other,
including:

- implementing simple core functions in PHP rather than C
- using namespaces as a form of versioning
- having a default set of includes which can be over-ridden by user code


The one recurring theme I would pick up on though is a general optimism
about how much we could add, and get right. Call me cynical, but I don't
share that optimism. The main reason a lot of the things being discussed
don't already exist is not that PHP only accepts contributions in C, or
that Composer packages aren't installed by default; it's that nobody has
worked out the One True Design.

Moving the discussion to this list rather than PHP-FIG, or PHPLeague, or
Symfony, etc, won't make that design process any easier. If anything, it
will make it harder - the stakes are higher, and the abilities for rework
and forking far more restricted.

Regards,
-- 
Rowan Tommins
[IMSoP]

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