Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:120242 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 66855 invoked from network); 12 May 2023 14:43:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 12 May 2023 14:43:15 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA091804F7 for ; Fri, 12 May 2023 07:43:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NONE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS19151 66.111.4.0/24 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 12 May 2023 07:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60495C02D8 for ; Fri, 12 May 2023 10:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap50 ([10.202.2.100]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 12 May 2023 10:43:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= garfieldtech.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to; s=fm1; t=1683902594; x=1683988994; bh=mWwarphiGO HwvtFP7K6SUj12HJFkCd65nWy11vf2FXI=; b=AEJlDyRdKVmSkHJCFG13yngGhB sFF/CSQdLUv21HD5vauW3IZRPc9gZ35U3kvRkMVd9KiRauQSOz/mZb8cjRyL6ht0 Q0e+JQPIx1K6epeUwvz4EpJA/SHRfupQNqzNJ/T4SGyokJgznF1C3bqsfk/pA9tQ pniznleOO8xcq7PIBnx7Iekd4Sh3PPZ7Stik8WObcmdB1i1t9OgAgpRDjJZWseO1 6kC1zpS+w8SyTOD+74vPr92CmQXC3mkiEXVvzY8FVGXTdtfG39etQ3FOMn+0/yNW YpnwDyJulnGaiethOx0GirpHSP2YFUDPdiucYvv/neVBorjXj+/lS5dwI4Tw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1683902594; x= 1683988994; bh=mWwarphiGOHwvtFP7K6SUj12HJFkCd65nWy11vf2FXI=; b=J vkW6/rbQOK0UdGkJCy+vTXW7UlH9sZMxVcKJWLkrTx7TexVoCF3sfzkfJmb/iyf6 h9A6TNbG1+K1BOOXp1AEDyiFRf880PDngyIwn51ZzY9dJSQ9+/MiwsrcFpjR8w2Y DLBU1ePJWg3UYCZOctTllVog+HFGvl1PG2yc6QzCu41eyeMxy0W5PwksPX8Pk6ul I9c8eEZ7EE5fM9OORAvYkp68Rxczqc3xSN+EKokTD0KdglpE2W1VDErLd7aZVMZR DiUyos+qXf4Oyxne4uiH2Edd+ltFSjoIUVwY/AJsDEXLywvcP6KwnIjR3V9QEg+9 s7qQpNYsZv26NvMxh2Mvw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedrfeehtddgjeelucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgfgsehtqhertderreejnecuhfhrohhmpedfnfgr rhhrhicuifgrrhhfihgvlhgufdcuoehlrghrrhihsehgrghrfhhivghlughtvggthhdrtg homheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepgeeghefgteejheeggfeghfelueeggfdtjeeivedv tefhveeguedufeelhedvteeinecuffhomhgrihhnpehphhhprdhnvghtnecuvehluhhsth gvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheplhgrrhhrhiesghgrrhhf ihgvlhguthgvtghhrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i8414410d:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 62D3B1700089; Fri, 12 May 2023 10:43:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.9.0-alpha0-415-gf2b17fe6c3-fm-20230503.001-gf2b17fe6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 14:42:54 +0000 To: "php internals" Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE] PHP Technical Committee From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield") On Fri, May 12, 2023, at 11:57 AM, Jakub Zelenka wrote: > On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 11:00=E2=80=AFAM Jakub Zelenka = wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The vote is now open for the RFC about introduction of the PHP Techni= cal >> Committee: >> >> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php_technical_committee >> >> Regards >> >> > The voting ended with 10 yes votes and 21 no votes. It means that the = RFC > has been declined. Thanks for voting. > > Regards > > Jakub For those who voted no, I would kindly ask: What is your alternative? =20 We have an organizational/structural problem. This isn't really debatab= le. An eager new contributor was just bullied out of contributing, and = the one process we have for dealing with it (RFCs) failed miserably to h= andle the situation. Ignoring the problem is a bad option. If the TC proposal isn't your pre= ferred way to address it, OK, what is? "Do nothing, it's OK if people o= ccasionally get bullied out of contributing" is not an answer. --Larry Garfield