Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:120227 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 51519 invoked from network); 10 May 2023 16:03:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 10 May 2023 16:03:07 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CB641804C6 for ; Wed, 10 May 2023 09:03:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-pj1-f41.google.com (mail-pj1-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 10 May 2023 09:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pj1-f41.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-24ded4b33d7so5131561a91.3 for ; Wed, 10 May 2023 09:03:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1683734586; x=1686326586; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=OnTmQFpzP40j5Z6bHKlUtJUk+QOoU2NTr4M/MICe+NU=; b=SUPb+fTDo6XmsJg/gi5ZcPDmhAm2kH2++CVY8ABt59F62soqzW3nbh+arCintg1bIE qM53q5cy4mJM8mV+pTY3fSlf5PEM3ezFdEcwYOXllRS8mR8gMaECrlRT0HstyAhVlmAD sQTq5wkbE0GX9xF4/lnxLnNQSaBYQVSG3eZHVO8N37/VpoS+td1YukBGkwej7oq2ESV1 2MhJXUTVROsq+Ojs20QXHLRGXSZxGIjtHH9EUVPlwvJjuu47fFwYyoyt3vhVqu+p1dJq hdsGwnN5agfhOjR7QXlq6E/pjFMG1IMX0OIQDvZVDI+Rbj0ZzS/tyG8tE9YXW9FzlKDx qmfQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1683734586; x=1686326586; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=OnTmQFpzP40j5Z6bHKlUtJUk+QOoU2NTr4M/MICe+NU=; b=XMKzYxoqyiK94U8x3rGwzzzSx6BWyaxXxHxIEEQD45nFXAmnwPqq80oay9cPayG6H5 y1x+f/ON6w+U8fhug83BaRT8ugrDVwonWSok9ZZzHe0fjYJXlwShlO5faA2wKvjT5piq D2WVvQFpge3DhT6nriFnVdHUPv3QgUBr+EnXdnYj0HSpqUJp+2IZiv4YiH07nQWMvPpW GSqnTJKz45yba8NE1x0bMteNCYhu7mZwEZbdWEToWSLjWWzhl4CJ1AVQRIJTXfPqz8+c QN4excwUnOKH5Ij3zd5IhJN2IIaeolpOh/Zsk72da5VEY5VPBxHklpcldpDBf2iFHO/L HGqw== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDz6fIf3npmWR5xK/gJsLviZxT39z93UEdu+6KwqteCREKLMmn/O NYCFYGtD4R3Yq/DNwZI31wlCVRWBtj2DmFPCMLA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ526FvDL3Vx/S463mUnuUP3xZ3nZyGBt5EBrZx1wCJpZd3OGZA3LmEPIbGgxnevAgoNYVGWOLLQA/VAgsZv3yY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:4b07:b0:234:31f3:e00f with SMTP id lx7-20020a17090b4b0700b0023431f3e00fmr18210428pjb.43.1683734585392; Wed, 10 May 2023 09:03:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 19:02:29 +0300 Message-ID: To: Jakub Zelenka Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Benjamin_Au=C3=9Fenhofer?= , PHP internals list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dbc06305fb59019e" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] PHP Technical Committee From: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com (Arvids Godjuks) --000000000000dbc06305fb59019e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 1 May 2023 at 19:29, Jakub Zelenka wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the feedback. > > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:09=E2=80=AFPM Benjamin Au=C3=9Fenhofer > wrote: > > However the main problem with the RFC process is that for purely technica= l > changes it could result in a set of rules that will limit core developmen= t. > When the previous disagreement happened, it ended up with this sort of RF= C: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/code_optimizations . I know that it was later > withdrawn but just imaging the impact of this being accepted and honoured= . > And also why should something like this be decided by people that have > nothing to do with a core development? That was actually one of the main > triggers for this initiative and we wanted come up with something sensibl= e > that would decide those sort of things in a better way. > > Cheers > > Jakub > I do want to point out that framing what happened with that RFC as "withdrawn" is analogous to "covering up a murder". The Internals list basically bullied a new contributor to dropping it and made them give up on ever committing their work to the PHP project. Actually, multiple people, because if I understand it correctly, there was at least one colleague of them who also was doing some work and they dropped everything too. --=20 Arv=C4=ABds Godjuks +371 26 851 664 arvids.godjuks@gmail.com Telegram: @psihius https://t.me/psihius --000000000000dbc06305fb59019e--