Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:120023 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 76515 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2023 08:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2023 08:50:13 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C19180538 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2023 01:50:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS24940 176.9.0.0/16 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from chrono.xqk7.com (chrono.xqk7.com [176.9.45.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2023 01:50:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bastelstu.be; s=mail20171119; t=1681375811; bh=sZ9fMnRebz6FcU3CBTAA/e1+xqKKHprc0G8q9KuNp88=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:from:to:cc:subject:message-id; b=n0QWNwVowvadW4Ty5kNWD4vh1TI1+N5c7IaphyK8RKSQTD/0/ZChjvkWSF7qGF8Bc Tje2oQ84Jl1v7EHNr54VbsAQvGMtsU8qog1GPGRkUUD10dJukNInqaxCWKa109PW9I HRSh8HkzFZY4pKDairC7kBrBFmV5lRoyRg1t/VGAhQ5sHbRO8nmWHvPCFcxKIGw5QR MqSzkvUyneJoQHLg5yKWyveQK7KTKn/0dOzl5cgXQMI6BGV5EYQcJ1sK50bxg7EbWs OcYPPOSQOX7/zovhpqnop4A9UccSRv9INtDCMOqoDia51VG5hF8a7/SK1dot/dNBbY QDo8/tR0MgNpA== Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 10:50:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en-US To: Andreas Heigl , internals@lists.php.net References: <20230412140920.GD2480@phcomp.co.uk> <1f0773ce-5d3c-ae8c-d908-7489d580d0ba@processus.org> <001701d96d68$a4cbb420$ee631c60$@roze.lv> <31518116-53ca-ca6a-a54d-032d9d2e0b91@gmail.com> <5fd0e481-f7a1-413e-83c6-263a36652172@app.fastmail.com> <84301244-eb1e-a258-1b49-0a053ce147c1@bastelstu.be> <7b22905a-b531-9081-9227-818659f533c2@heigl.org> In-Reply-To: <7b22905a-b531-9081-9227-818659f533c2@heigl.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Improving Mailing-List interactions - was: [PHP-DEV] Moving PHP internals to GitHub From: tim@bastelstu.be (=?UTF-8?Q?Tim_D=c3=bcsterhus?=) Hi On 4/13/23 10:46, Andreas Heigl wrote: >> DMARC is less of a concern, because the list apparently already performs >> DMARC mangling for a policy that is not 'none' > > Apart from (possibly) modifying the body and the subject line which then > breaks the DKIM signature which then breaks DMARC ;-) > I understand how DKIM and DMARC works. For users with a DMARC policy of quarantine or reject the list manager already performs DMARC mangling: The 'From' header is changed from the original 'From' header and instead the list address is put there. Now the DMARC policy of the original sender no longer applies and instead the DMARC policy of the list is used (which does not exist). You can see happening with the email from "Mikhail Galanin via internals" that was sent roughly 10 minute ago. Best regards Tim Dsüterhus