Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:120019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 70364 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2023 08:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2023 08:38:43 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2E518037E for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2023 01:38:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS24940 176.9.0.0/16 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from chrono.xqk7.com (chrono.xqk7.com [176.9.45.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2023 01:38:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bastelstu.be; s=mail20171119; t=1681375120; bh=n0i2ky6ClUexYhpeRHKt+AqJxVsZjOS90eVOdnL7pco=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:from:to:cc:subject:message-id; b=J8Tv0oiL1f/20IvmVBK5436UfI7533wygXGD4Aq8bdyUWH7qepWG4TBflMUEC0zwn DnPesZnDdfT/jIevlELRnfHlfrxXW5Y/c6LSysbfsmPJyEHx0ce8R34IHe95px9TqV poKMtudfsN1R6yGiwqyRAilWNDAqBmVAzkrRv77uGmpNk7cZV/ai+X7eUM0XK3+U5t O+qH4UJ5nox1wM6IQh2RWnxbczzjxwoDNOoxiGWGbU/C80H8bF4py7jJo7b9uMLTMl OW6j0CBIYBJZIG6VkY564Uq55qa0AGn9JPC8S/Tb7YHdCrpJ7M/oFMq+lo5NqjN83O MDnLpkM5ThygQ== Message-ID: <84301244-eb1e-a258-1b49-0a053ce147c1@bastelstu.be> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2023 10:38:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andreas Heigl , internals@lists.php.net References: <20230412140920.GD2480@phcomp.co.uk> <1f0773ce-5d3c-ae8c-d908-7489d580d0ba@processus.org> <001701d96d68$a4cbb420$ee631c60$@roze.lv> <31518116-53ca-ca6a-a54d-032d9d2e0b91@gmail.com> <5fd0e481-f7a1-413e-83c6-263a36652172@app.fastmail.com> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Improving Mailing-List interactions - was: [PHP-DEV] Moving PHP internals to GitHub From: tim@bastelstu.be (=?UTF-8?Q?Tim_D=c3=bcsterhus?=) Hi On 4/13/23 10:29, Andreas Heigl wrote: > 1. Remove modification of the emails on the lists server so that DKIM > and DMARC will finally work Yes, please, but for different reasons: Filtering is much more reliably performed using the 'list-id' header compared to a Subject prefix and not having the prefix in the Subject makes the INBOX more tidy when also having the [RFC] or [VOTE] prefixes. Also clients apparently can't decide whether to put the 'Re' before or after the prefix. DMARC is less of a concern, because the list apparently already performs DMARC mangling for a policy that is not 'none' Best regards Tim Düsterhus