Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:119990 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 76696 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2023 19:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2023 19:07:15 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71B8180084 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 12:07:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-pj1-f52.google.com (mail-pj1-f52.google.com [209.85.216.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 12:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pj1-f52.google.com with SMTP id d22-20020a17090a111600b0023d1b009f52so15552755pja.2 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 12:07:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1681326433; x=1683918433; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=V/cxuUeDZkNIu7bvEio50dS9Yn2LOEHV2YL15g7+rws=; b=aZNCO0J1Q0zKoQs3OhGaZd1ZFKy2edPBEYd+MVHHxOrtJOdB0Bmeuv+XSDauA7Mo5m lNeC1BmhQij82Sls53omrO0BKoz1PZ9uFge0AidyVv6uH1z55XN4RjLJbbP5RJvAMCVb 4V23kc4ScDVUg/ZLakQBPnAyl5LTksYN0i0UhhyBJlYBpNPKR+yitToeeQDm6o5ASTvX sI8bc2pIm+CH86guYXWdc73+sXIT4oB0fLHEdjovKf34cAbU1nrawxfK5DYtsOGDoNxb CtNwPE1kWhUJceKxrdyFEj3Oe+OXFymdPF1Zw/1l2HeMVw8sLKnuyb2F7+Q6tlbxd/YW IUGg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1681326433; x=1683918433; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=V/cxuUeDZkNIu7bvEio50dS9Yn2LOEHV2YL15g7+rws=; b=MyJjh8XDM1WJFjAdJZLNG6mzMzyWGufxhacDvzyhWTRfKOfAAbIoepipeJ0e8CqdCN oXVfB274kytUJdh7ipI9pCuq6OXY7vWP+nRaWKshGpOHey1veUGgZbUMGovFse+DNKiL jMis2dO7aJr4TeNANiOJWa6HQwJcx1YaSU7ZR/8pI0SDVn5ga14z88GLqhs8h3C6VuwV AQyb5EAhZmI/KAQ7TMhiCzGFayoKVkaBBGiyp/JpR2JonbxntEDku3bAqfd2wexVmLnr o4YX6LpY/tL0YlHf7oAWzUvcePDZ6/ecLnbSqVqhBT6TcxXIvNbFaKZ3uwAb/58OsQL6 zqSA== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9cQ19Lpxh488JNb7InmRbE1L6TuDTJDz/f6Od9V8AgdJ4g056Ba hl0F4JbK0ulZ6kiZATI4g77jlVy5L9j9jY0bOB6uYD5s9T/gHw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350a+mvAaVk/bNEe5GRLKPtKm6+uzysiwj2JO/jtojJcXzrKDslOCf5jL0QBQplHOXmdA0llFTqDq3BnCr5mGd/U= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:cac9:b0:1a2:3135:51ba with SMTP id y9-20020a170902cac900b001a2313551bamr1338505pld.6.1681326433044; Wed, 12 Apr 2023 12:07:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230412140920.GD2480@phcomp.co.uk> <1f0773ce-5d3c-ae8c-d908-7489d580d0ba@processus.org> <001701d96d68$a4cbb420$ee631c60$@roze.lv> <31518116-53ca-ca6a-a54d-032d9d2e0b91@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <31518116-53ca-ca6a-a54d-032d9d2e0b91@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2023 20:07:01 +0100 Message-ID: To: Rowan Tommins Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cb0dc705f92850f2" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Moving PHP internals to GitHub From: fenniclog@gmail.com (tag Knife) --000000000000cb0dc705f92850f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, 12 Apr 2023 at 19:42, Rowan Tommins wrote: > > Which brings me back to my earlier point: I wonder how much of the > reaction is really about e-mail itself, and how much is just the > documentation and sign-up forms you encounter *before* you hit the list. > Because if it's the latter, migrating the entire community to a new > platform won't help - we'll still suck at introducing anyone to that > platform - and most of what we need is someone who's good with words to > update some website copy. > I also see a lot of user about the signup process just not working (which was also mentioned in this thread), users may understand how to signup, but upon doing so, don't get signed up at all. I think a move to github discussions would be better than a mailing list, benefits include 1. Choosing discussions to take part in, mailing lists are just an all or nothing deal. 2. XPosting between issues, PRs and discussions. 3. You can reply to discussions, PRs, issues via email for those who want to keep doing that. 4. Contrary to this mailing lists belief, a lot more PHP devs who are wanting to contribute to PHP have a github account already versus access to the mailing list. 5. Discussion categories 6. General QoC, including code blocks, markdown, clean web interface and choosing what discussions you want to take part in and not get notifications for disicussions you dont care about. 7. Moderation, What would happen if a user decided to spam or flame the maillist? Once the email is sent you cant delete it from everyone's inbox, everyone would get it, and how long would the response to ban the user be? The only downside i can think of is threading, github only does level-2 threading. --000000000000cb0dc705f92850f2--