Newsgroups: php.internals
Path: news.php.net
Xref: news.php.net php.internals:119923
Message-ID: <58c4d43c-14a6-8eac-9d65-241ff9d0bad1@gmx.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2023 16:18:52 +0200
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101
 Thunderbird/102.9.0
Content-Language: en-US
To: internals@lists.php.net
References: <aa9f0f66-f772-3fc4-4f66-2245930ab089@helionweb.de>
 <CAPyj-LAughwkC=nQjU=K56rMmCjPdmq42DPPr7Q0v0dtkieLzA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADK1yXKWbwiUAmWpoOdCF459fzq3w47SpwBvJ_6-nXTnfzkjhQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <8abbed60-5569-4eca-ad12-957877feed9b@app.fastmail.com>
 <CADK1yXJj1=gfNLgUX69yED_pa5zJLJomyQ9M0K57zavu1fTikw@mail.gmail.com>
 <efa92c34-7296-44f0-b120-635a3590f8cb@app.fastmail.com>
 <CADK1yXKrxuBpScE7oWNo-dVPGi1p7wHCKRe28JhknBZxQy_B5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <SN1PR12MB25735728AB4A39DB4846FA9BDB9A9@SN1PR12MB2573.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <32BD2279-5764-4F85-AF64-A8856EAEBB54@xdebug.org>
 <SN1PR12MB2573D56B1D58D3BC6C0BD51BDB9A9@SN1PR12MB2573.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR12MB2573D56B1D58D3BC6C0BD51BDB9A9@SN1PR12MB2573.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:6tXTPizLIm8=;pDXn56g5aQ+GU97Ljis6FrGEtNt
 qhj08tAy3H0idSlo7TdnYmN3FdQTksBXsdo2ETnanY5TQh+vNo2a+enAjsJf7Jvj8GI9Whq5/
 4iWaUk6EHfrHzQq68nC26uuJ9abCDCVkQ4vS0ukkV4tBtU3HzLy7eSe5X8xzQlSOAvolGIc+f
 QzbKSZ1hS+rYgFBzWBaMxhfbCkbTJq5cBy7YkrUsWPhAHw4PAsbftTnm4vShI4L+YN4jCoHjO
 idCzTrwZqCsCfLkciZ6ki56oMso/ysHO4I8RMLoxvJLqBh27ikG5PmQcrEOBOcCEZyZhZ8c0f
 iZCQcWWMG4ND2k8zB6qT2ChNF1PAc6kq8zIBpcKg63UqMbRcYmzUFWTC6GTQZnGeGCG6+eJs3
 qhp4FgD3bMuvHDwy+dyYZYaeFwnJLsQ5XYcrHNSBo/SuVuN+uZ64VJTPniLgHXecb6POzH0EV
 27ZHCjXYcPnomQCizg4263hir1zIBctqib8I1OVclyE4mGOUcP+mFB8+63Fy3ytWKSvxDM2Ge
 fjyThkjn7rit7/XZSE1nSGBCVJhoDEBG9Mimf/STuNTMjU2CaWpbqeFe2SUySYWMxQyNREBLx
 ZvC4CPr/uPoeWJBflEP2kyJK/NFV6qVxswd70YrfEewJD1KBRpVcAYYS080l1nYPOEX0qvGyY
 KlbZUFhIg/hTE7sT9nWOdRfeMz0HM+uucYVenTgmsCi7/9xIvvZJbBNvieM4RtCj6qbFdQZJo
 4pqlubGkMtYkwF5DtS7ooTfDTSjpl8CsfnU0d2/PvUnzNTaC+epMypYLXNSqATC/4XptlmBJo
 djk0mOB+Ypfh8HX+DuFyyr9gqhBHLFHEj3nRlvAXfLkFYCTGC8X22eOQ07Wkb0A3rUwhLrNhh
 CSQitdXnx7o9n61t0ZqIwEqJaO2YqS0OYX1XwqIIBbleo+DkMfhBGhz8/vuSkf5uX+YwQuQac
 bwabwQ==
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Future stability of PHP?
From: a.leathley@gmx.net (Andreas Leathley)

On 11.04.23 15:56, Jeffrey Dafoe wrote:
>> So turn off the deprecation warnings for now. They're just a heads up t=
hat
>> behaviour is going to change in the future, with PHP 9.
>>
>> I doubt you'd prefer not to be aware of the change well in advance.
> Oh, absolutely. We run those "on" in our dev and QA environments but off=
 in production. I'm referring to the work required to mitigate the removal=
 once we plan to migrate to 9. Although our codebase is old, we are funded=
 to keep the code up to date. It's just that a handful of the changes, suc=
h as removing dynamic properties, has such a large impact and such a quest=
ionable benefit.

Removing dynamic properties has multiple benefits - from avoiding
typos/mistakes (which before were completely silent) from being able to
refactor objects in PHP in general (after PHP9) to be more efficient.
The RFC (https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecate_dynamic_properties) details
those benefits quite well, if there were no benefits it would hardly
have passed. This is one of the no-brainer changes for me, as the
upgrade path with the attribute is so easy and there are so many benefits.