Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:119865 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 43933 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2023 16:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2023 16:17:54 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF6641804D5 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 09:17:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-ua1-f48.google.com (mail-ua1-f48.google.com [209.85.222.48]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 09:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ua1-f48.google.com with SMTP id ba16so3676789uab.4 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 09:17:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1681143468; x=1683735468; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=sK5DUYadWUg6H6LImiwoXFNVyROiV/VtbuooS9ycOFc=; b=PevlV4NsiqTBidFOXjHQNOmqCVIRG122J5xoFQ5GJ09QBZlv0T9gaHMWayutIyF7yT lOD6GZoNhfB3JEBNxf2RdPxMSO2LkEoFIiZ0azu1o9B1VAdXtmC74mGw1GuXNqHSXhdY XJyzgHT+ze1VH5c2nRUInw9+V7ZcKPYDaOR2RfVxL9IExv3OxPmTSXE6lsEodit7QWM7 RyQhqV4uH8wOL44MHuX/QjBTjAYz9mq9Umg/gux2RBNc1Ie1fRrM6lqdMhDFwDyMdBGz MJDUCRmiEnmrDT9NHxPY6Fep1+pZj2j6HwqksSmgoAQH7S2f0AiCjyb1CrylTFfqtyH3 G/Dw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1681143468; x=1683735468; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=sK5DUYadWUg6H6LImiwoXFNVyROiV/VtbuooS9ycOFc=; b=GAB0XCVcC6hLdHnWTTpnJO8hjA/kFb2tJKjkuA2DDk878YmnazI50t4Cp8ZdxNARWu oGRSETC9oUpe9RXijJXJzl2uBv05M0GS/PCrrE7Wey5qc/A+nqG/7JX+uTgZPQrDiqmR GLNbwv30VT8uawZkMK1vOLMAfCtRE72FZQUeGzRb3xpUugHU/kQqddIbM0mXNRR9ulAt 297yst7W83qriwSe4ILDH3aUwNvDCT054k26BTsHCFJmcTBL3IOgRRwi1Arkfm4LVmIJ AbzSHQwY0KkjedWZ6vJceXQLoo3dYUyYNFEojc1F2hFPxK2lNY9p1Gb772A5H7WSAjAT SnEw== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9cP8duhYNogqgj1msv/gCmTGdbE6X5AS6alhMfvDKdJAkbVWXv+ YwKaXf6guMEWTS48D6gWmdBqkOakexVpgGBDYUI9tpJnDQ0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350bzVqhklXka+vG/DM4Gy/IVx09uOOnM0dNS6z6+brdpVH0XGJp2qTqEZVC38nIGeNRo4uFeLHkHj86fm8HSBYo= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:36ae:0:b0:76e:7de0:9501 with SMTP id v14-20020ab036ae000000b0076e7de09501mr5897315uat.1.1681143468476; Mon, 10 Apr 2023 09:17:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 23:17:36 +0700 Message-ID: To: Stephan Soller Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000414dde05f8fdb785" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Future stability of PHP? From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) --000000000000414dde05f8fdb785 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" hello, On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 1:37 AM Stephan Soller wrote: > Hello, > > I'm sorry if this isn't the correct mailing list for that discussion but I > couldn't find a more appropriate one where people actually know how the > wind is > blowing. > > A few days ago I migrated a project from PHP 7.1 to 8.2 and the amount of > deprecations and fatal errors spooked me a bit (details below if you're > interested). That got me wondering about the long-term stability of PHP > (as in > language and API breaks) and I looked at the RFCs. I got the impression > that > static typing has a lot of traction now and I have no idea of what the > fallout > might be of changing a dynamically typed language into a statically > typed one. I keep reading this in multiple languages, pr even more frameworks. I understand agency work, managers pushing new features instead of a cleaning some legacy. however years of ignoring deprecation notices (very few were introduced right before 8.0). Most of them could have been fixed within a couple of hours in any code base, if they had tests. I would suggest, very very nicely, to review and rethink the development flows of these projects instead of asking php to freeze. best, Pierre --000000000000414dde05f8fdb785--