Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:119845 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 80804 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2023 03:17:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2023 03:17:34 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EE518037E for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2023 20:17:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-ua1-f45.google.com (mail-ua1-f45.google.com [209.85.222.45]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2023 20:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ua1-f45.google.com with SMTP id f32so2695658uad.0 for ; Sun, 09 Apr 2023 20:17:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1681096652; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=gTBdizkCAKxbFjiC5Oij8bYDBHM3ImDGQqj4J+sNG2M=; b=m97ao81+FbtdZAAZkj9g0+aD7byEzoZzyZZNtQ7KCpAXpuosMAAVe/813cCkdHriu6 jSEeGWNgpKHUje7ChkwAOFme5nzQ3OI7tOaR++LgdpgMP6NApmdPhzQGlQB3Pfq41OHa EI3dC8s46T7pO56lrDAaVtiWcmt0z53AxMKPGYuvNOehW5SqLm5YzWCu/zlhqwbR3nvS X311/JNzXyD7mPkeD/g5ujodqvTQoid0zT8VtDzOW4n7Quo3+ZhJmkKIim+1GYyczTWM 6QY9kGMfmxrdlrMr5/Y55l6aBU5fL+DmmKfyDmXYJckmOkFRxWX62hj3RhWfTDVn+YuW tp2A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1681096652; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=gTBdizkCAKxbFjiC5Oij8bYDBHM3ImDGQqj4J+sNG2M=; b=lMcnCT43V8uXOCGZEehd1UQmVTVaoRJt7DEYNRtr44n3FDpiDxcQAX3iZOh5T5RClY zMGRyBoXbTxLrgzCwuQ1YU8jny0F3LuHjXHeYmPZrOd3HvbM13qRlXuorIx3stBSWSjK yIoUfMOrc8TXuI7E63vVhkCU4dwPjA53IocPWbFF7tkE9J7pAXYzjyOiWVduPwgBhJ3d HUC9pOMsJIEI3dwXGAZyel2klbISmN6HUYRfAHrKFVnIDPZJkEUkslRy1GKlJSbSVu30 GlYrpIVkQ9Cf0a3DNyjAJ+Dq0vQ/Pxehki8Qz3z49JbtlXzOZ6WbHpz5qZBh21wdA1zX DpYA== X-Gm-Message-State: AAQBX9cw52HnnMiw3s7TIv7q6rvD4YCHQrGpQXXhY7LEEuT2gkfYhJ7P W7WVU6aGZgQ6syx2KrUAhxsZlfNf04vi4Iua6SE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AKy350Yhtd5YhDXo5MK5PBxUcvj3TT7vxfAg9NJUY2dvmjwOLr6khvSRSo5HXEK8X7pFh1voVv2YufJ0k1bkq6iTxO0= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:9e52:0:b0:43b:ce2e:89f5 with SMTP id h79-20020a1f9e52000000b0043bce2e89f5mr5086790vke.3.1681096652110; Sun, 09 Apr 2023 20:17:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 00:17:21 -0300 Message-ID: To: Kamil Tekiela Cc: Dan Liebner , Stephan Soller , PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c8410405f8f2d0de" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Future stability of PHP? From: deleugyn@gmail.com (Deleu) --000000000000c8410405f8f2d0de Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Apr 9, 2023, 7:10 PM Kamil Tekiela wrote: > > I'd rather say that the roadblocks people are facing in upgrading legacy > projects are not specific to PHP 8, but rather a technical debt acquired > over the past 10-15 years. Even if nothing would change in PHP 8, people > would still complain about the upgrade because of unrelated reasons. > > > Regards, > Kamil > I'm sorry for the double-answer but this snippet striked me a lot. I'm quite curious to read a follow up on what you mean by unrelated reasons here. Suppose a parallel universe that code written in PHP 5.6 runs without any changes in PHP 8.2. What unrelated changes would people have to not upgrade? If the code runs exactly the same, there's no warnings converted into exceptions that change code execution, no deprecations, no behavior changes, what is it that people would complain about? Or maybe when you wrote "Even if nothing would change in PHP 8" you meant something different than what I interpreted? > --000000000000c8410405f8f2d0de--