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Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:25:00 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Broken Wiki Registraiton (was: [IDEA] allow extending
 enum)
From: cschneid@cschneid.com (Christian Schneider)

Am 30.03.2023 um 10:50 schrieb Lynn <kjarli@gmail.com>:
> That said, mailing lists are ancient and in my opinion a horrible way =
of doing things.

Mailing lists have been around for a long time, yes, but it also means =
the way we use it for larger scale communication has been refined over =
time. Please consider that this process is based on a lot of experience.

> I've had my fair share of issues to sign up initially, there's a weird =
etiquette of how you have to structure your replies

Once you familiarized yourself with the notion of giving enough context =
to your reply parts (but not too much) it becomes a very valuable way of =
keeping communication efficient.
The main point is that 1 person is writing a reply but 100s to 1000s =
have to read it and they do not have  the same mental context as the =
writer.
So spending this extra effort to minimize the effort of the reader is =
well worth it.

> , and most importantly you have to remind yourself.every time to press =
"reply all".

As it is sufficient to just reply to the mailing list this could =
technically be changed by adding a Reply-To. The downside would be that =
it makes private replies harder and the occasional slip-up could send a =
private reply to the list instead.
IMHO private replies should be kept to a minimum so I think =
(re-)considering adding a Reply-To might be worth it.

> There are also issues with messages ending up in junk-mail or caught =
by spam-filters, and you heavily depend on your
> mail client to properly group messages so you can actually digest them =
in a conversational form.

Threading emails has been part of mail clients for 20 years, I'm puzzled =
that people still consider this to be an issue.
Mail filters also allow to automatically separate into folders, if one =
wishes so.

> Email is also lacking edit buttons

This is actually an important feature! It forces the writer to be more =
careful with replies which in turn safes time for the 100s of readers.
It also means that I don't miss edits or have to go back to edited =
messages and guess what has changed.
Editing messages just doesn't scale well with large recipient groups =
IMHO.

> and integrated code blocks like we're used to with github (or markdown =
in general).

I don't think it is hard to format example code in a way that they are =
readable in an email.
Again: It is a little bit of extra work for the writer but this tends to =
lead to simpler code examples for the reader.

Regards,
- Chris