Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:119613 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 18459 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2023 20:17:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2023 20:17:11 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6E618054B for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 12:17:11 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-ed1-f50.google.com (mail-ed1-f50.google.com [209.85.208.50]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 12:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ed1-f50.google.com with SMTP id da10so45156803edb.3 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 12:17:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1677615429; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=VrrTZp+Zpv63vz+1Ailovxv7bZMZa4u9Jzywgh5ZTLU=; b=aF5jUPJFUEgNInqPhsT7hrT5f0or+iShfBej29RCfiXwwVTbDtN+EvMBv8kyXe3eO/ xBuhLLcbbjojhboIDskPsXCAPpHRYpfG7JJYqF4HDGOvqhA03q2d//Co12jSIx8DEdyM HJtGLearMMbo+9unoEkhZYuAVuQP2afkBEfxIlb9zOVx+i9aSIkv/rxyeaXd8uW4cR6L sGueWYt9Az6QeQ1O8xCVg5IEGrdCoelhLo/sluzyvCOF7bpUJeSXjE+ujQYjAGvgzJrH t7TG2eh15Zdvzj+wrw42TTET/FrVofT866JamF6M7cBiGZ/bmKC8IR1Jfm2kyaXQY5NT n/Ag== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1677615429; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=VrrTZp+Zpv63vz+1Ailovxv7bZMZa4u9Jzywgh5ZTLU=; b=I5rmwRWhsW6n8GwutnEe1QwCjNElpeTnqyPbvXDGolpbw34Wn4rVJwXnbO+4JdEwjF Av6WbP/JSxcdg36HSQFGqMvG0TxRwcyqgI5gpouVL8R8jBIv01KJ8VJQe6Iv0LXsXmCb bslwCkdL3twBblzmJ1QMZVqfL9TRPocStJ0EK+fDwBgMPgxftCA8cYDnSoCL5DCAYx62 jsXdat1l8/U8wj3U+1q4t6EWnsQWQGHW+MHCoCMIlcEPFhNJs+00dQCcpkGkmOVHp2KI BQp57bRXs91/s5woU068oSEpRKemUNZXzP8zichTKLITHOsO04LvYPaXyVaGcxjg91TL owlw== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKWqhI2zKT47XGHQPVPsjqWDbmyDmVI9FxgOvvKY/BWnO9rtM+61 3UQpyI152GnsK6MDOjuciHmfgjWDqBk/XTLqO/0wSM8iTnQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set93YlPmr1UjXJ0oqXUzSCBNhXDsWwNdCvL2WCTYmxLcjrpeg+CRwNOa1r679GUEMErVl3JYHHJKMUJbvJzYTMQ= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:a0e:b0:8f7:f3d4:942c with SMTP id bb14-20020a1709070a0e00b008f7f3d4942cmr3535831ejc.7.1677615428927; Tue, 28 Feb 2023 12:17:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2023 23:16:58 +0300 Message-ID: To: PHP Internals , Max Kellermann Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b6089c05f5c847be" Subject: [PHP-DEV] PHP code refactoring (was: include cleanup) From: dmitrystogov@gmail.com (Dmitry Stogov) --000000000000b6089c05f5c847be Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi @internals, I have to say that we came to a serious conflict. Recently we voted for inluce cleanup RFC https://wiki.php.net/rfc/include_cleanup and it was declined. Despite that a series of code refactoring commits from Max were silently merged into the master. As this is a violation of the community rules and we should do something. In my opinion, this should be reverted (I would even think about rebasing to not pollute the git history). Personally, I don't like this refactoring, because it is mainly about coding preferences and habits. Anyway, I see that some people like this. Maybe this may attract new developers. OK. Let's do this, but do this in a managed way. The massive uncontrolled changes is the main problem in the current situation. Let's define the goal(s), rules, make a plan, summarize this in a new RFC, accept it. Then most of the work should be done in a separate branch and merged into the master all together after a final review. I (and other authority contributors) wouldn't be able to object against the terms accepted in RFC. So a good RFC should be a half of success... It would be great if PHP Foundation could assign some experienced developer(s) to be part of this work. Thanks. Dmitry. --000000000000b6089c05f5c847be--