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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] include cleanup
From: php-internals@rxv.me (Clint Priest)


On 2/13/2023 4:13 AM, Arvids Godjuks wrote:
> Good day dear Internals!
>
> I've been following this thread/RFC from its inception to the current
> moment. I have watched the situation deteriorate and at this point, I have
> major concerns about the events that transpired, the motivations of some
> decisions and the apparent major lack of communication.
> But the worst thing, in my opinion, is that the mistakes that were made
> about a decade ago are happening in this thread: Cubstomping and 
> alienating
> new contributors who are willing to take on major amounts of work and are
> willing to take on the long-term maintenance.
This happened to me years ago and while I'm still here and reading the 
threads, I backed off from contributing any further.  Many weeks of 
getting up early to work on the code for an hour before I had to head to 
work thrown away without even any better reason than "long-term 
maintenance" without me sticking around to do so.

Just turned me off from the whole situation.
> I'm not alone in these concerns, but those people can do their own
> messaging.
>
> What I do not understand the most is the apparent "Not in my backyard"
> attitude to this RFC that seems to be happening. Improving the codebase
> ALWAYS requires breaking things and to be absolutely frank, I do not see
> how "merging conflicts" can be a sound reason for refusing header file
> shuffling. Or, in this case, "breaking extensions". I mean, the fixes are
> simple - update the header files. The author of the RFC is willing to
> provide the documentation/comments so it is easy to do. PHP 5 => PHP 7
> engine transition was a major multi-year endeavour that was multiple 
> orders
> of magnitude harder and broader problem, but everyone stuck to it and it
> was done. This RFC is nowhere even close to that but offers long-term
> improvements to the project.
>
> I am concerned about the apparent unwillingness to take on code cleanup
> projects. Can everybody involved cool their heads for a week, come 
> back and
> talk this one out and make a plan for how to make the improvements in 
> a way
> that parties can agree it should be handled?