Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:119298 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 81442 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2023 19:25:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 17 Jan 2023 19:25:45 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 146B9180539 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2023 11:25:45 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-lf1-f48.google.com (mail-lf1-f48.google.com [209.85.167.48]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2023 11:25:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf1-f48.google.com with SMTP id cf42so48568412lfb.1 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2023 11:25:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=SXheQwFBLy/Jjhz5Luiru4D/n54I4RB+vA3wqRLrjUc=; b=GwD9gyp+oqA19YaotJHhGaDptpFKVVdgy9reIvQ2ACyRKb+1iwGj8E0hRr/lAc3cvX PkJXwjjYU+ewLhyCXECGTZ7HJ163Mh2IdAJIthUt/AgxT5b+qx4uN83p/A2cm5AjzeBx ymOT6drzMbBUj8DZuo3BEwnmkSU0F6uStI0cqqHX45e5PaAr12fPRWucuG4N2QbK2JAL HXNMitkFcPG6ApvPEa1M5wKmW7q1pca6YSvRU+rP3IHE5wgvgxtbWNXmrbzY5foyG6Hi 5PolCFJuon5YMErWCPzVg+X3VzqcI9OHYNkep0oxykr3hcHmu37ENIArJiXOCcXem7GY aOaw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=SXheQwFBLy/Jjhz5Luiru4D/n54I4RB+vA3wqRLrjUc=; b=C5+9RnbttrpWGRzMk4XrI1rtoBFvSY2J1jMzVnEWgAO4cEH+QqLGS9xed7ItGQ2atr Ip2rO7JmujcQkuG34GyibquuxwrkwUci4ar9D7hVCkmGb690jZn56yvO/TefzSzisqVd gi9aL6yD8I+rKHRWksYV/MQUyOk18nnKjw3l/klof+VxKpAEnh1V18ygtHzNao/SfygL Kakn6HuOaHerlDJd1/xNYbFGpPwyxLpkMP2TbABce5KIghu8Xa0cE/kzcjwpPiv454tk Rb6m0HwYrU4NY9lpdyrFkuTNMjh0z7FKlYeX+qpy55/TqnOOqj4p+nk4sVehCj9eUVY+ NvCw== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kpGSnVrf18G7jG4j/0QaI9Yf9Cyc+NlRdjH+Inul1rvrFHqmI5K Z5CMsofghEwArEyQNC4VZGX0tHWv9dql++WyEu2lbh4POS9fEJIbpE0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXscKnUNX4A9YnulH6yagFhlHznpcfrsdejoqN4U2vc8gNQQj8EPv5d3QQTcJFLbkSmKISuNwUWsfmEL0+acL1U= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:1043:b0:4ca:f9e4:c410 with SMTP id c3-20020a056512104300b004caf9e4c410mr210244lfb.97.1673983539538; Tue, 17 Jan 2023 11:25:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 13:25:28 -0600 Message-ID: To: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003bf2c005f27aaadd" Subject: Measuring Proposal Reaction From: donatj@gmail.com ("Jesse G. Donat") --0000000000003bf2c005f27aaadd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'm looking to measure reaction to a proposal. My proposal is to have the STDOUT and STDERR global constants always defined rather than just when running via CLI. The variability of their existence is a common cause of confusion for younger inexperienced devs, and even something that slips the mind of more experienced developers. My team actually internally has a sniff forbidding STDOUT and STDERR due to their unreliability in favor of fopenening php://stdout / php://stdout I think removing the environment variability between CLI and Web outweighs the potential problems of people writing to these in the wrong contexts, especially given that you can already fopen and fwrite to standard out and standard error from a web session. This is only my second RFC I've purprosed so I'm pretty new to the process. Let me know what you think and what I can do to help Thanks, Jesse G. Donat --0000000000003bf2c005f27aaadd--