Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:119126 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 83754 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2022 15:55:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2022 15:55:45 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A409180548 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 07:55:44 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS16276 149.56.0.0/16 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from tls2.org (tls2.org [149.56.142.28]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 07:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: thruska@cubiclesoft.com) with ESMTPSA id 354BA3F8AB DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cubiclesoft.com; s=default; t=1670946943; bh=npyFjxjc9GjAvPLansPtAIS+RwQJLB219VaYATwy/vs=; h=Date:Subject:References:From:To:In-Reply-To:From; b=X1hMFnRsix/69dbRSsdgSzih76ObmxwbYREs7nwARKrHQ8fbyEgi2szNpdlrPwg7I Lbz1T1h88rgNOolIqFJC+HHqxZ4AbrJBqcsTu1QkaQCdWt7MG7g72S0WTWAugNxYZK OWySC/OV20rbgWDoRomgyEPtvwckMXWgYp3Q38p6kQp3l8F9narZVSg7ToWsoDuopF vwuUhvis/JgLVjADzB9bwxZNDqdrVxZsVw2X9lxxFzgb0XFK2K5rrVjZ/uKoWYzJXc WmHYiqj+nqQRc7I4Ouc1ohetmMKuXOmdGWKCt4dUI9JvxPGlRCAysslwe7DBeRn4KZ xNb9uXnBwr8ng== Message-ID: <64f90d2c-a939-2a21-acae-f7115ed991b2@cubiclesoft.com> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 08:55:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 Content-Language: en-US References: <5fe0d8a9-d305-9c9d-ca36-1ca30de87b78@cubiclesoft.com> To: PHP Development In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Revisiting RFC: Engine Warnings -- Undefined array index From: thruska@cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska) On 12/13/2022 7:15 AM, Derick Rethans wrote: > On Mon, 12 Dec 2022, Thomas Hruska wrote: > >> On 12/12/2022 3:52 PM, Derick Rethans wrote: >>> On 12 December 2022 22:20:27 GMT, Dan Liebner wrote: >>> >>>> It has been proposed to make the error level of "Undefined index" >>>> configurable so that teams and individual developers can decide >>>> for themselves how they want this situation to be handled. Given >>>> that: >>>> >>>> - PHP has been treating this as an E_NOTICE for over 20 years >>> >>> But not in the last three years. >> > > >> The type of post that the OP sent to internals is likely to become >> more common in the next few months as PHP 8.x starts rolling out >> globally. > > PHP 8 has been rolling out for two years "globally" already. > > cheers, > Derick Not for those of us that run the package managed version of PHP in Ubuntu Server LTS it hasn't. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases PHP 8.x is brand new as of *next year* from the perspective of those who patiently wait for certain OS level updates because overall system stability is important for critical production servers. The x.x.2 for the Ubuntu LTS series tends to be sufficiently stable for most environments but 22.04.2 hasn't been released yet. Hence my earlier comment. -- Thomas Hruska CubicleSoft President CubicleSoft has over 80 original open source projects and counting. Plus a couple of commercial/retail products. What software are you looking to build?