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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Revisiting RFC: Engine Warnings -- Undefined array
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From: thruska@cubiclesoft.com (Thomas Hruska)

On 12/12/2022 3:52 PM, Derick Rethans wrote:
> On 12 December 2022 22:20:27 GMT, Dan Liebner <dliebner@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> It has been proposed to make the error level of "Undefined index"
>> configurable so that teams and individual developers can decide for
>> themselves how they want this situation to be handled. Given that:
>>
>>    - PHP has been treating this as an E_NOTICE for over 20 years
> 
> But not in the last three years.

PHP 8.x is only starting to roll out in Linux LTS distro packages at the 
end-user level.  I've moved to 8.x internally but I am, in particular, 
waiting for Ubuntu Server 22.04.2 to officially drop before beginning 
meticulously planned upgrades to mission critical systems.  I suspect 
many people are in a similar holding pattern who are currently running 
packaged 7.4.x and are just now discovering all of the changes for PHP 
8.x as they are planning out their system upgrade paths in the coming 
months.  While you probably wish everyone marched in step with 
PHP-latest, that's simply not feasible in reality.

The type of post that the OP sent to internals is likely to become more 
common in the next few months as PHP 8.x starts rolling out globally. 
Most businesses are waiting for at least the holidays to conclude before 
performing any major system upgrades if not longer for specific OS 
releases to drop.

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