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Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2022 05:08:55 +0100
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To: Karoly Negyesi <karoly@negyesi.net>
Cc: Marco Pivetta <ocramius@gmail.com>, PHP Internals List <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Please allow an out of readonly properties
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Hello,

You can always patch PHP.

In what context do you use reflection ?

It's quite easy to override the behavior of readonly. Do you need
readonly behavior
?




Le sam. 3 d=C3=A9c. 2022 =C3=A0 23:56, Karoly Negyesi <karoly@negyesi.net> =
a =C3=A9crit :

> They refuse to compromise even on documentation issues. I am totally
> helpless. Not sure what could be done?
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 2:48 PM Marco Pivetta <ocramius@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Talk to the designers then: bringing your own political issues up to th=
e
> > programming language/tooling only makes it worse long-term, for everyon=
e
> =F0=9F=98=9B
> >
> > On Sat, 3 Dec 2022, 23:45 Karoly Negyesi, <karoly@negyesi.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I do not have the luxury of designing my own system. I am forced to us=
e
> >> upstream. I can't help it and given the history of private usage and t=
he
> >> refusal on relaxing them I do not see this improving with the readonly=
.
> At
> >> all.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 2:42 PM Marco Pivetta <ocramius@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Terrible idea: reflection is mostly introspection tooling, and doesn'=
t
> >>> really bend the rules of the type system, other than crossing scope (=
it
> >>> "sees" more).
> >>>
> >>> Please consider designing your system to consider the constraints of
> >>> `readonly` properties, or design the constraints to fit your system
> instead.
> >>>
> >>> Marco Pivetta
> >>>
> >>> https://twitter.com/Ocramius
> >>>
> >>> https://ocramius.github.io/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 3 Dec 2022 at 23:39, Karoly Negyesi <karoly@negyesi.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> If push comes to shove, private properties can be changed with
> >>>> reflection.
> >>>>
> >>>> Readonly properties can't.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please add a readonly toggle to reflection.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>> Karoly Negyesi
> >>>>
> >>>
>

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