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Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 14:55:56 -0800
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To: Marco Pivetta <ocramius@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Please allow an out of readonly properties
From: karoly@negyesi.net (Karoly Negyesi)

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They refuse to compromise even on documentation issues. I am totally
helpless. Not sure what could be done?

On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 2:48 PM Marco Pivetta <ocramius@gmail.com> wrote:

> Talk to the designers then: bringing your own political issues up to the
> programming language/tooling only makes it worse long-term, for everyone =
=F0=9F=98=9B
>
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2022, 23:45 Karoly Negyesi, <karoly@negyesi.net> wrote:
>
>> I do not have the luxury of designing my own system. I am forced to use
>> upstream. I can't help it and given the history of private usage and the
>> refusal on relaxing them I do not see this improving with the readonly. =
At
>> all.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 2:42 PM Marco Pivetta <ocramius@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Terrible idea: reflection is mostly introspection tooling, and doesn't
>>> really bend the rules of the type system, other than crossing scope (it
>>> "sees" more).
>>>
>>> Please consider designing your system to consider the constraints of
>>> `readonly` properties, or design the constraints to fit your system ins=
tead.
>>>
>>> Marco Pivetta
>>>
>>> https://twitter.com/Ocramius
>>>
>>> https://ocramius.github.io/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 3 Dec 2022 at 23:39, Karoly Negyesi <karoly@negyesi.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> If push comes to shove, private properties can be changed with
>>>> reflection.
>>>>
>>>> Readonly properties can't.
>>>>
>>>> Please add a readonly toggle to reflection.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Karoly Negyesi
>>>>
>>>

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