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Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 23:47:52 +0100
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To: Karoly Negyesi <karoly@negyesi.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Please allow an out of readonly properties
From: ocramius@gmail.com (Marco Pivetta)

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Talk to the designers then: bringing your own political issues up to the
programming language/tooling only makes it worse long-term, for everyone =
=F0=9F=98=9B

On Sat, 3 Dec 2022, 23:45 Karoly Negyesi, <karoly@negyesi.net> wrote:

> I do not have the luxury of designing my own system. I am forced to use
> upstream. I can't help it and given the history of private usage and the
> refusal on relaxing them I do not see this improving with the readonly. A=
t
> all.
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2022 at 2:42 PM Marco Pivetta <ocramius@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Terrible idea: reflection is mostly introspection tooling, and doesn't
>> really bend the rules of the type system, other than crossing scope (it
>> "sees" more).
>>
>> Please consider designing your system to consider the constraints of
>> `readonly` properties, or design the constraints to fit your system inst=
ead.
>>
>> Marco Pivetta
>>
>> https://twitter.com/Ocramius
>>
>> https://ocramius.github.io/
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 3 Dec 2022 at 23:39, Karoly Negyesi <karoly@negyesi.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> If push comes to shove, private properties can be changed with
>>> reflection.
>>>
>>> Readonly properties can't.
>>>
>>> Please add a readonly toggle to reflection.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Karoly Negyesi
>>>
>>

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