Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:118805 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 56469 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2022 08:07:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 12 Oct 2022 08:07:05 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7136A180550 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 01:07:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-vk1-f169.google.com (mail-vk1-f169.google.com [209.85.221.169]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 01:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vk1-f169.google.com with SMTP id q83so7803481vkb.2 for ; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 01:07:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=sIJEC9t8fGnbrdmx0w9XpaL9XPraJPXqpSmAHB9vtOU=; b=ON4MyKnb2Z6vIvZC9iI3iKjJp5GLppsxisLUxaEn6ifuJrY34oI8gfmlRIAAyJlKh3 OrLubcOk5kmWq2SHEF/pmCM2F9A647H3rkbkDUuYQ2uT/jEdFHiYUj26p8J3ujsvMk/r Q+F0oDFj1pzkutsiEaWsAU06THizKC74kISg0WVR++aMrfSYXWwpczVGRInDuDkLVzaT 5teYyYKMOF6srUxCGQCK9hoyaG6zdTIGBZbM2sJtdIpajVVbCgFXPdzBnbEHsqTuuRUV dm+PSA0P0GyJ6aeK3e5GEWpPokMSsqMZK76frVykTkfmzLCiBWi+jWNjXDZMP961aPMF TaSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=sIJEC9t8fGnbrdmx0w9XpaL9XPraJPXqpSmAHB9vtOU=; b=pIkLx1O7iXd1anGVkGBzUZVBI0fdJhVxXKkQFaYTKg8irAZlOlhWyfdnzIVD78tZ43 9OsNcoyAIbT1R+3KQOgMeyUgChNGoeofCOPyUxj0NalOX91rpTcU7Vch2ewzBdYGWXi2 ry63VqiLuYjQWOeBoiD9GxO3kFp5lzkyq53oWJbHp7innTuNkFOVkHTf7IRpz4TFH243 nzTglT0PpFEgyjIgJ6882ir2yJhimraA/G5CaSf8LRxdyw+6KFRr+0YGmk6imv0N768x m2uu8rn7iLCkfnH6aInD9fo2XCmz2EfGXo23gooiAzwQkawQRHPpmiJuW606/vY0eQ6l 8A5w== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2lOu5tcAPKPEOk0nitqhNT/1TcdkFw2wbGSapPPQF5UHflKh7s R8xGR8BVrR/0VTsKDUDIGJDlFfljiN41kiGIVfo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4Wd55Z+XZLmi1epHOBS2u2+MZKys6XDYT9WmYXLD471mUmM1ADZSBukASnOq7cLlgYtdcO+LCJnkieRLFE5K8= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:32c8:0:b0:3a2:914f:b490 with SMTP id y191-20020a1f32c8000000b003a2914fb490mr13412397vky.2.1665562023332; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 01:07:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 01:06:51 -0700 Message-ID: To: David Rodrigues Cc: Larry Garfield , php internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c08e9905ead1e05f" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Feature preview (formely was: experimental features) From: jordan.ledoux@gmail.com (Jordan LeDoux) --000000000000c08e9905ead1e05f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:44 PM David Rodrigues wrote: > > Partially. As the usage definition has not yet been decided between > private(set) vs. private:set, so this feature is not ready for preview. > Unless the idea of allowing the two syntaxes to co-exist in this feature is > acceptable (which I personally think is a bad idea). > > If a "preview" doesn't allow us to make breaking changes, then what exactly is the point? I don't see any benefit at all to this without that. If the "preview" is *actually* just "put out an RFC in the next patch release as soon as it's merged to master", which is what it seems you're saying (as that seems like all that's left with all the things you said we can't do in a preview), then that seems dubious, prone to instability in the engine outside of the preview features, and a total breakage of the release cycle and RM process that is currently in place. Jordan --000000000000c08e9905ead1e05f--