Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:118384 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 64168 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2022 06:28:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 2022 06:28:12 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BFA180339 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2022 01:29:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-yw1-f175.google.com (mail-yw1-f175.google.com [209.85.128.175]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2022 01:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f175.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-31e7ca45091so73164827b3.3 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 01:29:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc; bh=dEwArKwltdQ2FeWnv3R2HYG8ByofRU/l/9qzYp9Jj4A=; b=mzSwiSWcuMZMieKfc+BY00yULHlV/kwWYxJ78hgYugUNXvF8Q2o1a5ZH7y0Guq93Uu iOml1Z3EMvBHYJDWA8ox/PuuhbfOUvF3C7eD8l3Q8Ogirbq9yv8jrrNLRT4j8RaR600p sTqahtIT6G1c8SwllqJOytBh6YGskncnMTc0BUiYo/idcN82BKF5hxdmhk84xaVVa9pF brc7jSaHg/e47RYG/3rWPCqZDEs8yVJ+kyxvyOLVH7SZCwmtxgLHrgjdd7EmwShrvRNn uKOCJdWQil8R5Jqoqf5L69tHgWeFa1L9wfWLFj68CwwNrCLTXFMqt+pHmQVLxKP5Hy8A Nhyw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc; bh=dEwArKwltdQ2FeWnv3R2HYG8ByofRU/l/9qzYp9Jj4A=; b=n6awq+IgM8chWN27fvGmoOiaPQJXVPGFP9OP9EEovaiCfjxBrbEJVrHsqNCiJaHRH6 oXGFuelC3EaS5yWm9BzupgBKatpd5ELQKlVBrnS0WZJeCfkQfFT4PTb/RO1fx+r2UbVb JqCRSrrpzCzDJALdoFdm3Am2Vq1Apr3niHUnKMxMprPYkQyyU5Hv1bj4AKm7dIpJM3ne BY6MUjQogGsBpvnECkueXlZl/15Om3rYORBdHXFBwfSnS6A+/EPiXjHROmS+Viw5FENR EeBfJwJVDAg/qe2+Ok2ftMStCVUCEGsmHtoP/3247q78ngOWPz8SszYpZw5Hff6kwK88 dAfA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo1ISTr6b10hlWpPVlPosex4ljtwE4IF2ss45DmBckmriusPhHX0 luEwCk6+rKVr0gR7+Q9qH+55NT0x4Xl/dgwaS1s= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR6XfM9llHm/RT886740tS6jDak2Mv5x5+ez+9KaKu+Nc755Cbp2xg9Ms/O4xfKA4FRfqEn/VoFtDmcgsu/xPj4= X-Received: by 2002:a81:7586:0:b0:31f:658e:1ac7 with SMTP id q128-20020a817586000000b0031f658e1ac7mr17718685ywc.295.1659947360360; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 01:29:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <640e0f95-de30-4c53-48e8-818fdf408112@heigl.org> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 10:29:08 +0200 Message-ID: To: Andreas Heigl Cc: PHP Internals List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c29d3505e5b69ca3" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Asymmetric visibility From: ocramius@gmail.com (Marco Pivetta) --000000000000c29d3505e5b69ca3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hey Andreas, On Mon, 8 Aug 2022 at 10:23, Andreas Heigl wrote: > > Your use case might not need them (though actually you are needing them, > you just don't use them as language feature but via the static-analysis > annotation) > > But when discussing language features we should always keep ALL users of > the language in mind. And if a feature helps in providing ways to build > more stable code on the language level then we should think about that > from a point of view of *all* users. > > And when the feature is already used via static-analysis then why not > implement that for use by *everyone* and not only those that have static > analysis in their CI toolchain. > Agreed, I was just highlighting that the need for this RFC: * niche * really niche * I'm having a hard time expressing how extremely niche it is, so I explained how I currently do it, perhaps once every 2 months :D Marco Pivetta https://twitter.com/Ocramius https://ocramius.github.io/ --000000000000c29d3505e5b69ca3--