Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:118374 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 15681 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2022 19:41:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2022 19:41:46 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F8E91804C6 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2022 14:42:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_NONE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS19151 66.111.4.0/24 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2022 14:42:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20FA5C00AD for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap50 ([10.202.2.100]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 07 Aug 2022 17:42:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= garfieldtech.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm1; t=1659908571; x=1659994971; bh=4USSvS6OrizQcKBruBEy4AXC1 u/jC1LGBKYXrM0KgbU=; b=hXshwLR4Wn0aJ7wkVK7g2vfS+nV53kW9DHIwzxgDB Px2fZb+T4avHYYdoNUz3j8Bb9cc9qAC5A5AninSa6AXZoz25yNDLs/uJ4xY17q8w QeGquXyLnnafa/ClZdKW2+F50kRCstlGUR61aZ+zAQCLv4ecWGTiTx27p+vnL2UU F+HRyovT+uOgG7O6NThyK+HDfHRuTNC56Q57B2Sx8rtGlXTAE0TICPDPqtgX8r7r SlR3C3idxP+tGEqFqN943wKsHEK5VTdJfZJT8pAaKuiouwT+9kHZ0G8UTkOy5jCE VQkVdmEVaT1iOlnJ9pw8Dc10WoyI74uFrHbDaIIEGiGYg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1659908571; x=1659994971; bh=4 USSvS6OrizQcKBruBEy4AXC1u/jC1LGBKYXrM0KgbU=; b=W2D2kH/7AhFEohjNc TITB+coDI9sKJPallnhtJLqfQJJMuTetPwdEAvvm0FsiEvWA1HUXy2MFSrM3drZO nqLk07mrMI+RbhyW8XU2vsZnCY5kbXCNKbHnGcVUBTJwgf1n/vesREUQUaj6kto7 o9OeexgKmcmWnbNPH7ulKQIxpoPVYPEjODd+bLs3x/b84+GFsB1nLEFkMias5iaJ 2bQOV5IwLB8YEeVdawomxUlgtoXiOf19SviLwfUN5lxpyzA7MWQ8Bv/0AX+knffr zmnqtjHV0LRFsAnAiXC6CKUF1hndhZ09QuiUGLb8MDrpOIEsUU+ugplh0NXLyby/ QYdIw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvfedrvdefiedgudeijecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtgfesthhqredtreerjeenucfhrhhomhepfdfn rghrrhihucfirghrfhhivghlugdfuceolhgrrhhrhiesghgrrhhfihgvlhguthgvtghhrd gtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeggeehgfetjeehgefggefhleeugefgtdejieev vdethfevgeeuudefleehvdetieenucffohhmrghinhepphhhphdrnhgvthenucevlhhush htvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehlrghrrhihsehgrghr fhhivghlughtvggthhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i8414410d:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 980E0170007E; Sun, 7 Aug 2022 17:42:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.7.0-alpha0-758-ge0d20a54e1-fm-20220729.001-ge0d20a54 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <34092ca4-d6ef-4b90-b7ab-f8feef29923d@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2022 16:42:29 -0500 To: "php internals" Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Asymmetric visibility From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield") On Sun, Aug 7, 2022, at 1:59 PM, Alexandru P=C4=83tr=C4=83nescu wrote: > On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 8:09 PM Larry Garfield > wrote: > >> Ilija Tovilo and I are happy to present the first new RFC for PHP 8.3: >> Asymmetric Visibility. >> >> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/asymmetric-visibility >> >> Details are in the RFC, but it's largely a copy of Swift's support fo= r the >> same. >> >> -- >> Larry Garfield >> larry@garfieldtech.com >> >> -- >> PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List >> To unsubscribe, visit: https://www.php.net/unsub.php >> >> > Hi Larry, Ilija, > > Review the proposal and it looks great. > > I have a few subjects to point and maybe discuss further if you think = so: > > 1. The first subject is visible even from the first phrase of the RFC = that > uses both the terms "get and set operations" and "read and write > operations". > I'm wondering if you thought about using protected(write) or private(w= rite). Not really. get/set are the terms used in every other language with suc= h a feature, and the words are shorter. There's really no compelling re= ason to use a longer, less common keyword. > 3. I assume the target is both static and non-static properties. > This should be mentioned in the RFC. That's the intent, although, now that you mention it, that part hasn't b= een implemented yet. :-) Ilija will add that to the patch and we'll upd= ate the RFC when it's been added. Thanks for the catch. --Larry Garfield