Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:118208 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 6782 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2022 12:35:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2022 12:35:07 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B1718050B for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2022 07:28:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-yw1-f171.google.com (mail-yw1-f171.google.com [209.85.128.171]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2022 07:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f171.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-31c9b70c382so79363867b3.6 for ; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 07:28:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SQZEWG5yj1Lmi+I+TNeMRSv/NxQ8FI7HBXTLxDu7Auo=; b=o5OsH9rHFgnNyhCQnu44AIajlSDHBwZXbYdPw3/2hZ8+xwpp38iWLcySmljiE1JMKY n+bnuKEVhmukkjmKgvHRctvyOONSBA9KiviVgq1LPO4gkDLlleR5HirlCqSg1R1+2P1L DOUJxDQAJqgBrixz6EP+0+IZwhhqoiE1wRIXVw7d56ZY89son+3JZBIdTCY2zsQAGQAn smCPE6YIqBs6mx7CdHLu4SSlmG7VaH92Wq1fU45AfyP0cfXlyFmn+S9uA63cTWRbxkQe 0C3Jg/kHVf6Lv0dSqQca/n7XU1C0WuTQhtjVHgH5shENR/0F56AXAXBBeQWDVQl/sBWN I/Xw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SQZEWG5yj1Lmi+I+TNeMRSv/NxQ8FI7HBXTLxDu7Auo=; b=PN5c8TR63fZeo/e3X3ozeLcJQN9GBm4aiENjn/mldAf71K57VWfBeXGsJ6Bwwv5QBV E8xxcXdwLqra1jF0E+3loKyqRuhOSTxL2NDvCCI7nyJ/zUJ1NeXZy0bD3R62tf3Y21sY zMyTpL9MSIYD5eo0ij5wrGIS/6oDZxA9Knt6C4PrPUEEohGae8AL4xoZvzhhi94Buz0s 3eeK+F/1RvrR3998DVXbBj+kLT2PAeUQmbdvUD06GZMLPQwLcYn6yi3k2Qej3eG073gz FoWn0UiZOWMtkPlu8t3mdhPZWuIjOsFTucZF/8Sa9OSkHjKzUT51ZAauHwO4gemdT1Er 8hDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora8VjfXFEofTA3ZykulCdIh+vm/u6c2UWT+FVAzWaE+/tYP9b/El BhzrxZNgeqvk2uvfVe1mq3fHlQ1HA1Qboc030mXsLNqpnbi6kQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1ueXdyNG3qfsbhMBHjGh/MAllXbZu153M4ft9OoeoHPLky/qwoYzcx+gPATdn5+wn+ldFkJ0yeQcGUtogeO42o= X-Received: by 2002:a81:74f:0:b0:31c:af7f:c994 with SMTP id 76-20020a81074f000000b0031caf7fc994mr13860923ywh.322.1657117687904; Wed, 06 Jul 2022 07:28:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9d4e1c05-651f-41d5-8336-1291f94e58b0@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2022 16:27:56 +0200 Message-ID: To: Larry Garfield Cc: php internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000237d5405e323c7aa" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Constants in traits From: ocramius@gmail.com (Marco Pivetta) --000000000000237d5405e323c7aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 at 16:26, Larry Garfield wrote: > simply not the case at all. > It's neither "simply" nor "not the case at all". They are the spaghettiest concept in the language after autoloading symbol resolution shenanigans, so be my guest in writing a blogpost that puts measurable value on traits. I measured negative value over here, over years. Marco Pivetta https://twitter.com/Ocramius https://ocramius.github.io/ --000000000000237d5405e323c7aa--