Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:118207 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 5075 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2022 12:33:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2022 12:33:03 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8633180544 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2022 07:26:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_NONE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS19151 66.111.4.0/24 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2022 07:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDA65C0063 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imap50 ([10.202.2.100]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 06 Jul 2022 10:26:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= garfieldtech.com; h=cc:content-type:date:date:from:from :in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t=1657117565; x= 1657203965; bh=88JUe5RNkkxQkTxVRX6SfSeS/PEbfE/IKElYPu/PTKQ=; b=X ADiBSy9FCN6mCgJGUUkP3HI+uDxXFI9el1p7Oh55v0fjbbOxd6JG/ZPT2PH6MwbT kGQ8qu6gexMN6vDJlz9bEDERn4qu6BCRkEjrBmvgi/QM2g1upH747ZhmD6aozCcC 2bHMj0DlKA34PpW73C6AVr3vFQ8XnxplJI69uVQZwYF1yt+gzjRf5Gz51caiAanK FIGSyUsJw3pXM1/8CyJuPxGjw+V/wfHWfVAwUGWeVjGmbisDmp/vsXiStN956MUQ 1I4NrADdRi7wjPVuSbjPg4YLUzsFj0KAkJ5FHxQOx8cFkJunbdhBGpEpkOKXllXD qf1POJ0HtJZ5F3SJDZdGw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:date:feedback-id :feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm3; t=1657117565; x=1657203965; bh=88JUe5RNkkxQkTxVRX6SfSeS/PEb fE/IKElYPu/PTKQ=; b=jap34LSoM8UL/xdaLDNbuAk6sBsWq/jQ1qplTRozoqSy 9vU8AKnHNgzSe02HXeM3pGb/SdyoMjtzd8fEdEO6WOAgZtNOQaQItfJO0RQ7gE40 TskZvEKj4jxrctEyz/ZvNQTdrk+P1wGA6m3YvqAvjbpHYP+V/TWeTKT/yRzpxWws EwRZblcVTIgW+Scs4v9y2Al19aht/iQJOfeFYNdoJwGFq4p6/nrRUnknui67bzQb /u4xBH1HugO8uu57v0q7YeLCjZfbUfx5JsVu5TuoHMA2u8+eFuZ7m+yv/f3EK7NQ VxpGK3YLi8VX8LDUuf6TDbeuxO4pjrtDPMT+Q0B9QA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvfedrudeifedgjeehucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepofgfggfkjghffffhvffutgesthdtredtreertdenucfhrhhomhepfdfnrghr rhihucfirghrfhhivghlugdfuceolhgrrhhrhiesghgrrhhfihgvlhguthgvtghhrdgtoh hmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeglefgkeduiedvvdetffeujefftdfhjeeiveehgfff keduveektddvledvvdfffeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmh grihhlfhhrohhmpehlrghrrhihsehgrghrfhhivghlughtvggthhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i8414410d:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id 65577170034B; Wed, 6 Jul 2022 10:26:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.7.0-alpha0-713-g1f035dc716-fm-20220617.001-g1f035dc7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <9d4e1c05-651f-41d5-8336-1291f94e58b0@www.fastmail.com> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2022 09:25:40 -0500 To: "php internals" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Constants in traits From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield") On Wed, Jul 6, 2022, at 9:23 AM, Marco Pivetta wrote: > Also, the idea of the RFC process here is that voters bring in their own > requirements: my requirement is as subjective as yours. Sure. You're welcome to vote against this or any RFC for whatever reasons you have. What I was objecting to was the assertion that traits were generally understood by all as evil, when that is simply not the case at all. --Larry Garfield