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To: Aleksander Machniak <alec@alec.pl>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] NULL Coercion Consistency
From: craig@craigfrancis.co.uk (Craig Francis)

On 28 May 2022, at 07:25, Aleksander Machniak <alec@alec.pl> wrote:
>=20
> On 28.05.2022 04:36, Craig Francis wrote:
>> On 8 Apr 2022, at 18:34, Craig Francis <craig@craigfrancis.co.uk> =
wrote:
>>> I've written a new draft RFC to address the NULL coercion problems:
>>> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/null_coercion_consistency
>> I give up.
>=20
> Don't give up. You have my Yes vote.
>=20
> Imo, the RFC:
> - fixes real upgrade problem (very important),
> - improves consistency in a better way than the solution introduced in =
8.1.
> - does not change strict_types behavior
>=20
> Some people don't care with what arguments their functions are called =
with. As long as the value can be coerced to the expected type the =
function will do what it is supposed to do. Other people have =
strict_types. All people don't want to be forced to modify a working =
code.
>=20
> So, this is another "battle" between strict and non-strict camps. I'd =
like to see which is the majority these days. I hope that even some =
strict-code proponents can see this makes sense.


I'm sorry Aleksander.

While I think this is the best approach as well, I don't have a vote, =
and I don't have the time/energy to respond to emails where I'm clearly =
not making any progress, or doing a good job of putting the case forward =
(for reference, each email usually takes a least an hour, as I want to =
make sure I've completely understood what the person is saying, and yay =
dyslexia).

Anyway, I'm going away for a week (leaving in 1 hour), and when I get =
back, I *really* need to focus on other things (life, client work, and =
things related to `is_literal()`/`literal-string` which I am making some =
good progress on).

Thank you for your comments though... and maybe you would be able to =
convince the other voters it's worth it?

Keep in mind, even my quiz from a few months ago had split the room on =
this issue:

https://quiz.craigfrancis.co.uk/

Craig