Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:117631 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 4324 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2022 18:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2022 18:35:55 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A05C71804C6 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:11:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,NICE_REPLY_A, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-wm1-f42.google.com (mail-wm1-f42.google.com [209.85.128.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-f42.google.com with SMTP id l16-20020a05600c1d1000b00394011013e8so27679wms.1 for ; Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:11:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject:content-language:to :references:from:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ajP5CtFCxN7bHxFPOP+I/vesVatcXPH7/xBng7eC7B8=; b=CyzquWa9bdfLM5m7zcrkM8S5l4MfY7ypSB6xABinEHKIDZCT0g99DCDzPmUuH4QTR1 Lc/LUn7xLBQD8MkmYbuXSktzTarYQXAVIclGaoZjzWqXYAuaj84qKkelTU9Pm7TvNKBl AGd0/Q4QLmu00l0DgLK1h2nIh/2ISN4bOcBxMVcG502R/o+I65yzxGiVBLYAgnw7NMbx vsq1s3xo1qsgHXaSGbfxWp++xBZ1cK82WHTnTSXAktQUye46cXLAH21I/iOO48YJZyDC TsU5LcV90CL+Eas+KWkt+7QUSELphfj4fd3uWgBmcbfgl2Eb/6DsHq+WqvXFoMsoisJH ID1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:mime-version:user-agent:subject :content-language:to:references:from:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ajP5CtFCxN7bHxFPOP+I/vesVatcXPH7/xBng7eC7B8=; b=EZp6QRvNsg8FaeyE2+uNOHIGnZEFPsge9/rfutnDAU5nW5HZOBhC+sl7j6IdzMvPuV +kBYmzWGYU5Gzyh7zmAZEFSbF6QzNikI+5kcnZb9RO/RwDonpTojZs1a3CBDwI2b/guN //IUSciO4o1LZJF/tFxuqKNu807inpRhvkvmc57urXAJHxsF+4MKIOwoo8EzyyF3kF3W E8osiWdPIPxVCQdUDScUaonXzjXT9ees6R2ggcrJZukolo01ts70+O3M0XnVEqAghFVN Nfd5KSYPC/AxRGSaFDhF4x+8ApjxFJFDNuzs+MI333TXvcppaT9qYpRYGjpuleR72gR8 U5pw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5312jtXB6IjsdFAPQGVA04efCxZITidyqVs9rhngzJqr6qYRD608 xbIQaECLc+E+hl4dqoDcFlEGD2mTvfE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy8lwbm4HzVdkTEsQXMuBbcFWotdmxYUKRUl6vLbCZz9wcQVRgc2lG7wiIS3TYI7rkppPalrg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:19d1:b0:393:ea6c:1b3a with SMTP id u17-20020a05600c19d100b00393ea6c1b3amr12509242wmq.199.1651003872724; Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.22] (cpc104104-brig22-2-0-cust548.3-3.cable.virginm.net. [82.10.58.37]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id c12-20020a05600c0a4c00b00381141f4967sm50962wmq.35.2022.04.26.13.11.11 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 21:11:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.8.0 Content-Language: en-GB To: internals@lists.php.net References: <42D0A480-F262-4F72-9C4D-887762A8D800@gmail.com> <0b061f28-a087-efd3-8602-424ee03458e0@gmail.com> <7DB0A01F-04FB-420D-9025-E027E5DE02F7@craigfrancis.co.uk> <19b2d192-fc4a-4122-8a01-54316a50fc1e@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] NULL Coercion Consistency From: rowan.collins@gmail.com (Rowan Tommins) On 26/04/2022 17:36, Guilliam Xavier wrote: > function mt_rand(int $min = UNKNOWN, int $max = UNKNOWN): int {} > > documented with two signatures at > https://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mt-rand.php > > mt_rand(): int > mt_rand(int $min, int $max): int This is actually a really pertinent example: you might expect mt_rand(null, null) to give the same behaviour as mt_rand(), but actually it will always return 0, because it silently coerces to mt_rand(0, 0). That's exactly the kind of unexpected behaviour type checking aims to protect against. There used to be a lot more functions with pseudo-defaults like this, but a lot were made to accept null in PHP 8.0. e.g. mb_convert_encoding('foo', 'ASCII', null) now acts like mb_convert_encoding('foo', 'ASCII') and looks up a run-time default; but in previous versions it acted as mb_convert_encoding('foo', 'ASCII', '') which is not a valid call. Regards, -- Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]