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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 20:55:21 -0500
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop
 Russian agression
From: chasepeeler@gmail.com (Chase Peeler)

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On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 8:53 PM Michael Morris <tendoaki@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 3:31 AM Victor Bolshov <crocodile2u@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello internals.
> >
> > In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, people
> > of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we have
> > to speak up, loud and clear, in support for Ukraine. To stop Russian
> > aggression.
> >
> > I suggest to add Ukranian flag and a supportive anti-war disclaimer to
> > the header of php.net website.
> >
> > Why is this important? There are a lot of PHP developers in Russia. A
> > lot of them, sadly, have been brainwashed by Putin's propaganda. They
> > still must have a lot of respect to PHP authors and creators. Seeing
> > that these people, who have their respect, are against the war and for
> > the freedom of Ukraine, might have an impact.
> >
> > This is not the time to "stay away from politics", we are experiencing
> > an attack on humanity itself. Take example from
> > <https://junit.org/junit5/> and their clear statement.
> >
> > Say NO to war!
> >
>
> This original post has been met with some controversy. I don't know how
> much my voice counts, but I will say this.
>
> The occasions in history where one side is utterly and completely in the
> wrong are rare, but they do occur. Russia had no right to invade - period=
.
> Attempts on this list have been made to justify Russia's actions, but the=
y
> are logically tortured as the Nazi justifications for invading Poland or
> Soviet Russia.


Maybe I missed them, but I don=E2=80=99t recall anyone justifying Russias a=
ctions.
Can you cite them please?


>
> Speaking of the Nazis, even Hitler didn't stoop so low as to send in troo=
ps
> utterly unprepared for what they were about to face while lying to them
> that they'd be lauded as heroes. Neither did Stalin.  Putin has done that=
.
>
> Now, you can try to justify certain things. You can try to justify Putin'=
s
> War, but you will never convince anyone of your position - you can only
> succeed in proving yourself to be evil. Evil is the complete absence of
> compassion for the suffering of others, and only someone who is evil can
> advocate for Putin's War or try to justify it in any measure.
>
> Evil is a powerful word - one I do not use lightly. When one side calls
> another evil they say that there can be no more dialog, no more compromis=
e,
> no more cooperation. The only correct response to evil is opposition.
>
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Chase Peeler
chasepeeler@gmail.com

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