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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 20:04:55 +0200
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To: Chase Peeler <chasepeeler@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop
 Russian agression
From: zsidelnik@gmail.com (Eugene Sidelnyk)

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And how do they approach the issue? How effective is their approach?
Currently I don't see any result of it.

About won't change - I don't agree. At leas for someone it would. The more
people see something the more they believe in it. This is exactly
how propaganda works

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 7:59 PM Chase Peeler <chasepeeler@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 12:56 PM Eugene Sidelnyk <zsidelnik@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> All the world currently talks about the situation in Ukraine. Everyone w=
ho
>> knows the truth are trying to help stop invasion. The main problem here =
is
>> that most of Russian people believe in Putin's political position.
>> Moreover
>> they will have Instagram and Twitter blocked soon in Russia so that they
>> won't be able to know the real state of things.
>>
>> Therefore our responsibility is to bring the truth to Russian people and
>> they will do the rest. PS. 70% of surveyed people support Putin. How els=
e
>> we can inform them of what is really going on if not writing about it
>> everywhere?
>>
>>
> A banner on php.net isn't going to change their minds
>
>
>> If you, as PHP community, do not do anything about it, it would mean tha=
t
>> you don't care. Well, everyone who writes php internals is for discussio=
n
>> of php internals only doesn't care and probably won't.
>>
>>
> This is the kind of language we need to avoid. Don't accuse people of not
> caring just because they don't agree with how to approach the issue.
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 5:49 PM Arvids Godjuks <arvids.godjuks@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 11:31, Victor Bolshov <crocodile2u@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello internals.
>> > >
>> > > In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, peopl=
e
>> > > of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we ha=
ve
>> > > to speak up, loud and clear, in support for Ukraine. To stop Russian
>> > > aggression.
>> > >
>> > > I suggest to add Ukranian flag and a supportive anti-war disclaimer =
to
>> > > the header of php.net website.
>> > >
>> > > Why is this important? There are a lot of PHP developers in Russia. =
A
>> > > lot of them, sadly, have been brainwashed by Putin's propaganda. The=
y
>> > > still must have a lot of respect to PHP authors and creators. Seeing
>> > > that these people, who have their respect, are against the war and f=
or
>> > > the freedom of Ukraine, might have an impact.
>> > >
>> > > This is not the time to "stay away from politics", we are experienci=
ng
>> > > an attack on humanity itself. Take example from
>> > > <https://junit.org/junit5/> and their clear statement.
>> > >
>> > > Say NO to war!
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > As someone from Baltics and living there still - yeah, colour be yello=
w
>> and
>> > blue all the way.
>> >
>> > But I also think we should leave php.net out of it - this is not a
>> project
>> > with a core tea - this is a very distributed project that probably
>> touches
>> > almost every single country on this planet.
>> >
>> > Another reason - just look what happened to the React's issue tracker:
>> > https://github.com/facebook/react/issues  - you can bet your life on i=
t
>> > that this will happen to the PHP project as soon as there is anything =
on
>> > this topic done. Does the project has resources to deal with it? I mea=
n,
>> > this is basically a DDoS that can be solved only by closing off issue
>> > creation from public.
>> >
>> > It's just impractical and will ruin maintainers and contributors
>> ability to
>> > do their work for the foreseeable future.
>> > --
>> >
>> > Arv=C4=ABds Godjuks
>> > +371 26 851 664
>> > arvids.godjuks@gmail.com
>> > Telegram: @psihius https://t.me/psihius
>> >
>>
>
>
> --
> Chase Peeler
> chasepeeler@gmail.com
>

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