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Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2022 12:59:13 -0500
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To: Eugene Sidelnyk <zsidelnik@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP Community to support Ukraine and help to stop
 Russian agression
From: chasepeeler@gmail.com (Chase Peeler)

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On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 12:56 PM Eugene Sidelnyk <zsidelnik@gmail.com> wrote=
:

> All the world currently talks about the situation in Ukraine. Everyone wh=
o
> knows the truth are trying to help stop invasion. The main problem here i=
s
> that most of Russian people believe in Putin's political position. Moreov=
er
> they will have Instagram and Twitter blocked soon in Russia so that they
> won't be able to know the real state of things.
>
> Therefore our responsibility is to bring the truth to Russian people and
> they will do the rest. PS. 70% of surveyed people support Putin. How else
> we can inform them of what is really going on if not writing about it
> everywhere?
>
>
A banner on php.net isn't going to change their minds


> If you, as PHP community, do not do anything about it, it would mean that
> you don't care. Well, everyone who writes php internals is for discussion
> of php internals only doesn't care and probably won't.
>
>
This is the kind of language we need to avoid. Don't accuse people of not
caring just because they don't agree with how to approach the issue.


>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2022, 5:49 PM Arvids Godjuks <arvids.godjuks@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 11:31, Victor Bolshov <crocodile2u@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello internals.
> > >
> > > In these dark days for humanity, we as people of civilization, people
> > > of sanity, kind and caring people with children and families - we hav=
e
> > > to speak up, loud and clear, in support for Ukraine. To stop Russian
> > > aggression.
> > >
> > > I suggest to add Ukranian flag and a supportive anti-war disclaimer t=
o
> > > the header of php.net website.
> > >
> > > Why is this important? There are a lot of PHP developers in Russia. A
> > > lot of them, sadly, have been brainwashed by Putin's propaganda. They
> > > still must have a lot of respect to PHP authors and creators. Seeing
> > > that these people, who have their respect, are against the war and fo=
r
> > > the freedom of Ukraine, might have an impact.
> > >
> > > This is not the time to "stay away from politics", we are experiencin=
g
> > > an attack on humanity itself. Take example from
> > > <https://junit.org/junit5/> and their clear statement.
> > >
> > > Say NO to war!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > As someone from Baltics and living there still - yeah, colour be yellow
> and
> > blue all the way.
> >
> > But I also think we should leave php.net out of it - this is not a
> project
> > with a core tea - this is a very distributed project that probably
> touches
> > almost every single country on this planet.
> >
> > Another reason - just look what happened to the React's issue tracker:
> > https://github.com/facebook/react/issues  - you can bet your life on it
> > that this will happen to the PHP project as soon as there is anything o=
n
> > this topic done. Does the project has resources to deal with it? I mean=
,
> > this is basically a DDoS that can be solved only by closing off issue
> > creation from public.
> >
> > It's just impractical and will ruin maintainers and contributors abilit=
y
> to
> > do their work for the foreseeable future.
> > --
> >
> > Arv=C4=ABds Godjuks
> > +371 26 851 664
> > arvids.godjuks@gmail.com
> > Telegram: @psihius https://t.me/psihius
> >
>


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Chase Peeler
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