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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] (Planned) Straw poll: Naming pattern for `*Deque`
From: tysonandre775@hotmail.com (tyson andre)

Hi Pierre,=0A=
=0A=
> > While there is considerable division in whether or not members of inter=
nals want to adopt namespaces,=0A=
> > I hope that the final outcome of the poll will be accepted by members o=
f internals=0A=
> > as what the representative of the majority of the members of internals=
=0A=
> > (from diverse backgrounds such as contributors/leaders of userland appl=
ications/frameworks/composer libraries written in PHP,=0A=
> > documentation contributors, PECL authors, php-src maintainers, etc. (al=
l of which I expect are also end users of php))=0A=
> > want to use as a naming choice in future datastructure additions to PHP=
.=0A=
> > (and I hope there is a clear majority)=0A=
> >=0A=
> > -----=0A=
> >=0A=
> > Are there any other suggestions to consider for namespaces to add to th=
e straw poll?=0A=
> >=0A=
> > Several suggestions that have been brought up in the past are forbidden=
 by the accepted policy RFC (https://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaces_in_bundled=
_extensions=0A=
> PHP: rfc:namespaces_in_bundled_extensions=0A=
> Classes and functions provided by bundled PHP extensions are currently al=
l located in the global namespace (with one exception). There is a strong s=
entiment that future additions to PHP's standard library should make use of=
 namespaces, to the point that otherwise unrelated proposals increasingly d=
egenerate into namespace-related discussions.=0A=
> wiki.php.net=0A=
> )=0A=
> > and can't be used in an RFC.=0A=
> >=0A=
> > - `Spl\`, `Core\`, and `Standard\` are forbidden: "Because these extens=
ions combine a lot of unrelated or only tangentially related functionality,=
 symbols should not be namespaced under the `Core`, `Standard` or `Spl` nam=
espaces.=0A=
> >   Instead, these extensions should be considered as a collection of dif=
ferent components, and should be namespaced according to these."=0A=
> > - More than one namespace component (`A\B\`) is forbidden=0A=
> > - Namespace names should follow CamelCase.=0A=
> Besides the namespace thing (collection is fine imho). What is the=0A=
> reason to have it final?=0A=
=0A=
Do you want singular Collection included as an option in addition to plural=
 in https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deque_straw_poll ?=0A=
=0A=
The reasons it was a `final` class in this RFC was described in https://wik=
i.php.net/rfc/deque#final_class.=0A=
It's easier to change a `final` class to a non-final class with final metho=
ds if needed later on.=0A=
(final methods so that array access, etc. continues to be fast, easy to rea=
son about, bug/crash-free, etc)=0A=
=0A=
> For collection in general, would it make sense to have a common=0A=
> interface representing the minimum expected API? If possible, then=0A=
> algorithm specific on top? a bit like we have with the traversable=0A=
> interface and related.=0A=
=0A=
=0A=
php-ds does this as https://www.php.net/manual/en/class.ds-collection.php a=
nd I've been considering it=0A=
=0A=
Still,=0A=
- With union types and intersection types, it's still useful but isn't as c=
ompelling.=0A=
- There's the choice of namespacing to consider for the new namespace (`Col=
lection` vs `Collections\Collection`).=0A=
- It didn't seem as useful until there were more datastructures to choose f=
rom and situations where more than one would be chosen.=0A=
- It couldn't be used until support for php <=3D 8.1 was dropped by applica=
tions/libraries, so it'd take a while to be adopted.=0A=
=0A=
Thanks,=0A=
Tyson=0A=