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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] User Defined Operator Overloads
From: pierre-php@processus.org (Pierre)

Le 03/01/2022 à 17:12, Larry Garfield a écrit :
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, at 9:52 AM, Pierre wrote:
>
>> I personally tend to agree with everything that Marco said. Especially
>> regarding the fact that it's adding huge complexity to the language
>> itself for mostly edge cases.
>>
>> I'd argue there's many much more valuable features that could be added
>> to PHP before operator overload, such as generics, rationalized
>> collection API and scalar objects with methods for example (which all
>> could be magnificent tools for improving the operator overload RFC).
> Those are all independent of operator overloading.  There's zero reason one needs to come before/after any other.  Everyone wants generics, but they're really hard or Nikita would have implemented them already.  This is a non-argument.
>
> Also, people keep talking about edge cases.  In my experience, "are these two objects equal" (for some object-specific definition of equal) is very much *not* an edge case.  I may have less use for overloading % as I don't use advanced math that much, but I compare things all the frickin' time and that would be incredibly useful day to day.

I think you read it too quickly. Anyway it was just examples, my point 
is not specifically about generics, but about the fact that operator 
overloading has been hugely controversial, and independently of the fact 
that I think this is a very well documented RFC, I still don't like it 
and express my opinion, I probably would not use those, but I eventually 
will be step debugging into some, and god, I don't wish I'll have to, 
really, I hate magic and non verbose code. Nevertheless, I have to 
admit, if I had the right to vote, I would abstain because it still a 
feature a lot of people want.

Best regards,

--

Pierre