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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 03:23:11 +0000
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To: Brady Wetherington <bwetherington@grokability.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE] Deprecate dynamic properties
From: Danack@basereality.com (Dan Ackroyd)

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 00:55, Brady Wetherington via internals
<internals@lists.php.net> wrote:
>
> That's 1.5 million hours, which is 171 developer-years.

If we're going to imagine numbers; there are 6 million PHP developers
in the world*. If on average they each lose just 1 hour per year by
making typos and accidentally creating a properties dynamically,
that's 6 million hours, or 684.93 years!

So the value delivered by this change would be 4 times the cost just
in the first year. And then every year after that it's pure benefit.

> What I'm scared about is about our 42 dependencies in composer.json,

How about sponsoring each of your dependencies some money, to
encourage them to check if their code is compatible after this change,
and fix it if it isn't.

If a dependency is used by even just 1000 companies, and each of those
companies chips in $50, then $50,000 will fund many months of work on
that dependency.

> probably more, if we try to include work-life balance and whatnot :P

Most open source is done by people in their free time. Because
companies keep refusing to fund open source.

> might be stuck on a framework or something that's no longer being updated,

Having companies sponsor open source projects makes it less likely
they will be abandoned.

cheers
Dan
Ack

* https://www.theregister.com/2021/04/26/report_developers_slashdata/