Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:116418 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 17399 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2021 15:40:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 16 Nov 2021 15:40:44 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56ECF18053E for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 08:35:43 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS19151 66.111.4.0/24 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 08:35:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E299D5C020C for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 11:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from imap43 ([10.202.2.93]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 16 Nov 2021 11:35:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=ZtwSoD wWQwKquU/2e9qJZg7MVR5csfDF5a5afBbOdNg=; b=FFHLGx2nQ3UVngayoNjULl GJA0VXtlrXAt3Ogft/nj0gF3VSDBDBwyzhPFnk1swPRLOu11rqK3HcCt6DRlp+Ip WUgDjTXcyagMw5Z3PCjqrM5/WPdBID3caj3r0AQ8s+aIEilJEJ8wC3DtQMO2hZPe +uNAZozobV5qbKu3d1JMwBd/ikxPNLX0tDg05KwPoW/ney2RH2jpsRF9Kuutg3oF zqwuXW9h83zjrCaZ/a2ZyrPuZePPabBUN6+AmPyyv3mz7AOVbkdHq5Sss2JLd7qU zEyBKfaJRk1Hgll7uHJXwuza8kdA5TzQ9I4f7ltaJZs+t98Xsk7brh0pHK42zUmw == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvuddrfedvgdeklecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpefofgggkfgjfhffhffvufgtsehttdertderredtnecuhfhrohhmpedfnfgrrhhr hicuifgrrhhfihgvlhgufdcuoehlrghrrhihsehgrghrfhhivghlughtvggthhdrtghomh eqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnheptdejkeejhfevgeefgfdtteethfeuhedttefggfejkeek gfeivdeiffekkedvtdejnecuffhomhgrihhnpegvgihtvghrnhgrlhhsrdhiohenucevlh hushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehlrghrrhihsehg rghrfhhivghlughtvggthhdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id AFAC3AC0DD1; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 11:35:41 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.5.0-alpha0-1371-g2296cc3491-fm-20211109.003-g2296cc34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 10:35:21 -0600 To: "php internals" Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Deprecate dynamic properties From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield") On Tue, Nov 16, 2021, at 7:18 AM, Lynn wrote: > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 1:23 PM Pierre Joye wrote: > >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 4:11 PM Lynn wrote: >> > What is the point of this change if it's an opt-in? Projects that are >> still relying on dynamic properties today and "have no time" to fix them >> now, won't have time in 3 years either. Please let us have nice things >> today instead of years from now :) >> >> If it is an opt-in (like Larry proposes f.e.), you will have them >> today as well. >> >> > Just to be clear, are you talking about opting in to having the > deprecation, thus adding it to every single class in my code base, and > every new class added in the future? Or are you talking about opting in to > enabling dynamic properties? Because the first makes it pointless to have > while the latter makes this a great RFC. I believe Pierre is referring to my suggestion here: https://externals.io/message/115800#116382 --Larry Garfield