Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:116385 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 13464 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2021 17:05:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2021 17:05:14 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8CD180540 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 09:59:59 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-ua1-f43.google.com (mail-ua1-f43.google.com [209.85.222.43]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 09:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ua1-f43.google.com with SMTP id l24so32397914uak.2 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 09:59:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=basereality-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Cg5Mf472km4Dmmm7CTjblFavwvwGEifngdKAftHJCL4=; b=B76zlj7wxJWSca5SivNGwpB6cx3tgEwbXvIVtCDAhbaYjLpoXQ4yrgG13yXzm7MX3/ p8WLuf/ObcY7T12EXK/V/haY9GW62jg4hXtrSIVltf8Sqzx0EmriVqv5iahUBilywXuA dz8jkJWd8qs1+YDmhvA1aGnYA7vR5sWpCuqXSpWetEEgLTM5mcUb56OTsgKmS7shWiUi 69CyO0rG1tyM7GzwMHTejaTtMPaw2ZWUKVqBgRoXQAiVCd6ueFBMeCKP8uMjvmkHNADE THyq86APXutFphfRYBnV7DRETp95vcWUY2n5tHj5LdJSzvC4zT+jb6TPuSHHrIWtZZ1Y jvDw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Cg5Mf472km4Dmmm7CTjblFavwvwGEifngdKAftHJCL4=; b=owAGZdEfPW0RhAiyBl32btegFPcx4YFeVEbL890U3chmLo66BfRKMSPUnyuxo0ADxX MS3eLS5nzjDZ4HLZ5EEMCsydV1IholQCNbjsK5s371G7gojPIeWPSCD1TzGAcH1WJOO4 0WjAY96+T+NinF5R8lYyClWmxcYE0i4UV6NZe5TAvlA8XwtJRxFIBnSJROK5I4hPrVe/ GJTfOfRxjclCUFjLLQE+YAoq5tpdWJU5X5WfY1UUSSiADcaZVQCCFe6zeQkamLbZb3S2 yVz00TGiwAgAjU5RL43YZoSjHIuDr17XrCB4mdGc0s29LStQI4ew8JBXWhqvFqvKiG8P X2Rg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533vui3po/FIeQ9doCoREiXDYTWk3cxGjbd7OSK59gd3g3LuPX5G 0xoBcuH2l7LkmYyHY8tLNclJl5KqgzG9E2BrW2DHkg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwWzzJw5K0GSj9A1M9Hxdqrl8vIUvALZprGD1NyVW3yrcSzOaEtz7ZyeG7P47EgsU/ofuy0ErU7gEte4XTa/II= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6130:42c:: with SMTP id ba44mr1073122uab.52.1636999198341; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 09:59:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 17:59:47 +0000 Message-ID: To: Derick Rethans Cc: PHP internals , Nikita Popov Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Migrating to GitHub issues From: Danack@basereality.com (Dan Ackroyd) On Mon, 15 Nov 2021 at 09:47, Derick Rethans wrote: Derick wrote: > I think it is a mistake to decide on a whim to move over to GitHub > issues without having evaluated anything else. Maybe avoid being insulting about other people's decision making process? I'm pretty sure that Nikita doesn't make that many decisions on a whim, and that he has spent quite a bit of time over the past couple of weeks/months figuring out how it would work, and getting a test repo setup with the new issue templates. And I also believe he has spent signification time evaluating alternatives, but they all come up across the same problem listed in the RFC: "The requirement for an alternative would be that a) it is hosted (i.e. the PHP project does not need to maintain infrastructure for it), b) has good GitHub integration and c) is =E2=80=9Csufficiently better= =E2=80=9D than GitHub issues to make it worth using a separate product." I don't think the vendor lock-in concern is that great. If Microsoft actually starts acting evil again, to the extent that we need to stop using Github for either code or issues, then we would be able to move again. The lock-in on github doesn't appear to be worse than bugs.php.net. In fact, it's far more likely that anything we would move to is going to have an "import from github" button, than anything having an "import from bugs.php.net" button. > This jump to GitHub Issues feels rushed, The topic has been discussed for at least 6 months: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/114330 That seems like quite a bit of time for people who would prefer to avoid github to evaluate the alternatives and write out a plan. cheers Dan Ack