Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:115957 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 21499 invoked from network); 5 Sep 2021 17:03:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) (76.75.200.58) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 5 Sep 2021 17:03:09 -0000 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <61339ad1.1c69fb81.b518e.8644SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Autocrypt: addr=ramsey@php.net; keydata= mQINBGCHQTYBEAC6IU9aXEpVuLJNAzXwL7q9Vt1PkxJHr7kJynUg/3ISrOdJy2Ebola7GbEd vLZ69o+NbsL5vmOmT2AD0pEGfMgE9KWJ122iEfN4hrWThz+sHcVd/TKX9E98g+HTpoJGtYcp 6jYxG0YRP7dn1zSn9CawVJpMsoS2G0JZB/q2lIELoPRLMjicRDBEfamTPi3vyYiuf4vvCcYY z3AEMYirt5f7rBrVOs3FVBozEqrN2fPRWvFgTnhsQ8MEiq5/DMsnxFq2wgheAKPIAXhZiJFo KHsrpiAANEmGZBY2pbW05rBY1ZmJpi1yCrSk582cdPo2Ca+NrNEPJ9spoEinAtApp/orirJY bjKViWqmh7mYYyv/NAQKwGBE1up3tSGVj0rKG3f9seLvYsApHf0lhEQN/ypzC+pYDlSXzWxc Q8bifixb6XulaEgB5XOHwuvpTK6HoNNdZM44Fl+B/eAXaebL6Vh0P1EN/2DBr4FGNb8vlXdv Gxs7rJbJ8+aNmYeNIdg5qbYubNsO2fU7yw9kTDNTej63Ql1a0Md2wfZze8dZy6LJ/tL//IH3 JPd0jvT1y0LVIKoYVrIfv06zolVplqi72zfec1kpw0VR6dT/LyhBlyNumqJMRHdZlX4pUCpx 79pOonjHNTNuhjOPLlzai0ooWBtloDZfNGoFRVNNJv/hGvVM+wARAQABtBtCZW4gUmFtc2V5 IDxyYW1zZXlAcGhwLm5ldD6JAlQEEwEIAD4WIQQ5tkE0PYwQSysUbcP5w53AuWmFRAUCYIdB NgIbAwUJBr8a7wULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRD5w53AuWmFRMyWEACO9nAp /ahKv7UQfZ/bdNgj4BbSyVRQSCSH1ngkS0LL9r5qlhmvXoarD0943dMk6jbFdoUU5M7zZ62y EFLR20QJtqTc+O+ApXCB7qm3ZO4MH8hB8Nr1qRLYlUx2yQNWqkMqQawo3XybdLOucIOB0qaH UnpSTgNLIVgYQYUoFOJFL8SSj03BdVDOYgI5pvDlSEC1HmQyxTCVehQB5jhtCZrxjIT6dR3d 2HTYMsoZRdSa6sfzCvnkQV210gDEUpgblHFeadem5LdQkP71OTcItwdhxabL2uY+v/TWa+Fe avItg3uAsiKV499X7Co34LN5NkoSA1Ieq78coZAh6tY6nOb2EpbZxfWyBIbfzJ9/Ny1KC/rw Xo2P1CESkoU7eniupXJwMWv7o2+Jzb6D/lBhwrE0XDSvraLow8UmBdZyNMxxigpjUZhMo1ui qeHjbKaDZJvHQMBmhL4L1TTOSaOcwCP4uIwTteJRu6k1YR9a1VBTlAyjPhzA+gHYjkqdnV15 mOV2uDjCfKlmzxFED/6sxXXHkC/2I5s00DmqK4QHQf9lCz4gdF4Uiabs9x0ntCbs/LAVQqWm wEB5PPvsnTn1kW+4UdaMUuqiYtkyJU+bzkel/L+JHHMZr6EEG50nVVEx0oG6f4n1RSE3pPEW 3vWjUZ7uIvjTpCoAN7MIM5ZCXCnwxrkCDQRgh0E2ARAA2NPzmrdm/BA3DUijyTXcq0JQ0Pjd n8k26tVz04U3uX950U9Y3qWKn7Iv4uP+q82tgDL8sTzuwEErB2JQWB8XHKgh9kPdIwk7u4lC clOuSsd2mQt1O1ROPo5fNVuf2+aqo72TUcS4A2Q57zu4QRYe2/o4+8dQAbB3cKvs145oNpiQ gbA+G2uY0Gj6/p4q74a/2O+OJhqWlVkZYO3fy4S+9xkcueOg4AlXo4HeerzLIthwctgSrY8S K9p3dsiZ9dvgOcnp7moDlacnvBeQ8u1CxSeomHtfzaaFZ8oqb95tIROAtMdbyMPLYl0fOXG9 GhrmIIzoBMiwhPSDZjENGWXdSamcCtiMlostJwzVSV6pM3N2I2GXK2IgW/HVe5LwH9BPlJ4i GE2LQVNqzlgTN2k0+OyYen7bLP7UOHtBy3h2ab6VsCbZDx29Yxg/9PInGR+F8lcSJRDIc4rg GXQQ06+7+8Upqj68OPWn1ol30TldNY/eLRXbxePMAziG96iAQW7DXXajLxz00oatsDB5Z8pV RTP9AiZ/8sXswXLkH0VVnh4O5W80rdBw9vXwc+zJcaDknrJiQjfrMKEsuJ2dZ4VjRxGkYd9l Z9h9quMmtK2RRB5Nn0ullgTE4e3I4p5pJUFcQIQffXfhGAmeEh7u+ALbOC7wLHScHuSPW5Ti K2HnMDcAEQEAAYkCPAQYAQgAJhYhBDm2QTQ9jBBLKxRtw/nDncC5aYVEBQJgh0E2AhsMBQkG vxrvAAoJEPnDncC5aYVELfkP/j1gVRT5dOfk2yQRftcshV3h91RY3c8MCl/s+RYBXLjv7seE 8nn/Z1VG6IiPcwsBJYnM5Y8oaPvvlLc29shu7D8MLJbPS3jgN3m+MvaU7I6hH7u4xiG7SCFB qj7Xre8eJuToN/Ksl5wBVGic+iSYham4XpHjZEjyv5iH8ksZHhwQosiLr1ogEGBcwWDeg7Di hI41tB82siqKHyhOn06Jmir1DS7OXoMr6biUAPo7Rf1BTFh18BNVBfgrGApgUUfLlX32Myrd TwCVdxyoUYHK71LncaDDbCH5fFRZUHguktC92Sv8smFtoRco6SxGMKyG0g0V82cnpIQtdneT EVaaPsajIaGRmIkpBRw373nY4e4bRL4yxAz7aJW82U23awhUzZym05FQFe8+ksdgGgV+rQj1 8nKkXiNZwdR6hhSzlvc0+GuxWgwMtKPIJU8fBET42yAcvUdYSCAeXsMgAD9X3huV37o+qlZu yJRC737dZBrwdIJvZN1/oZ28CFc84LxrjL5efjbpqw/FXKCe1L47BQ0bL6RyCe8y9qxKeF2f EML6jkrmH28VkkyaFuabMsh7qwQuGReu2BQywdD4ivwsgeFcWB3u/RlOcpDfq/EkdXmrzZ3Y VBaPeCN0EPvffcdA7zoUueFI+JConWbme9Mg3oe++tcDvMKlr0HUGVFVCwkF Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2021 12:40:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.16; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 PostboxApp/7.0.48 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="t27lEJvTK4c4mtpVLkdblyGrsdIvb9Xkk" X-Posted-By: 96.61.105.82 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Random Extension 3.0 From: ramsey@php.net (Ben Ramsey) Message-ID: --t27lEJvTK4c4mtpVLkdblyGrsdIvb9Xkk Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="yeCRee4FrvVFZPeXZmmvsykLtAWHgO0jF" --yeCRee4FrvVFZPeXZmmvsykLtAWHgO0jF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Go Kudo wrote on 9/4/21 23:00: > Indeed, it may be true that these suggestions should not be made all at= > once. If necessary, I would like to propose to organize the RNG > implementation first. >=20 > Do we still need an RFC in this case? I'm not sure I'm not fully unders= tand > the criteria for an RFC. Does this internal API change count as a BC Br= eak > that requires an RFC? Yes, since re-organizing the RNG implementation is a major language change that affects extensions and other downstream projects, this requires an RFC. >> Personally, I don't see the benefit of including this OOP API in the c= ore. >=20 > On the other hand, can you tell me why you thought it was unnecessary? > Was my example unrealistic? You also said, in reply to Dan Ackroyd: > Either way, I'll try to separate these suggestions if necessary, but if= we > were to try to provide an OOP API without BC Break, what do you think w= ould > be the ideal form? The OOP API appears to be a wrapper around the RNG functions. The only thing it gains by being in the core is widespread use, but it loses a lot of flexibility and maintainability, since the API will be tied to PHP release cycles. By doing this as an OOP wrapper in userland code, you're not restricting yourself to release only when PHP releases, and you can work with the community (e.g., the PHP-FIG) to develop interfaces that other projects might use so they can make use of their own RNGs, etc. Cheers, Ben --yeCRee4FrvVFZPeXZmmvsykLtAWHgO0jF-- --t27lEJvTK4c4mtpVLkdblyGrsdIvb9Xkk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEObZBND2MEEsrFG3D+cOdwLlphUQFAmE1APkACgkQ+cOdwLlp hUSN4g//Z+Efj6jAuzaYxmSAmRDnivGiuYytMtR/0yJNjCyymHkNWREhFqayep0W AVGKvqjypj9MXLnxujsekYo1AdFx07Kb694fHRhGGwT6ap1EF6fIEKPrNItFRQgf SrXWyfvqkzslpDyH91IV3/PD9J/AuUhVA/I/D0Elo1Stt988M+zY/bxLIG33XbCl rtWGFtxuSUz5PJ6z6TvborXKRdVTymH2PF0lqvRjxXLuxZY4uymM9aOUSCpIdmTD buQjpejRYAyHGOyeMfiV7owgxUiDAYliuEO69MGZGFZTgnS9ljXF4O1dZIfqBHyS wCuO6ITKL1HrJhvQKHjXhXBpnF+oEWVVzKBhcRhUUM78qcjvpjjS4yfr090WJavh 7dKZG9JJL+WslQRvhGePklMiEqLyL5DylXVmQUdyrexoQd22TRdbSRbdHJw0Yiug LAT5VW2Tn9RKuZ/4F97gPQC5ueqnUt+j9dQ+OatQXIjdg4tJXLtQUhBBE0U37PVc Npv8pR9PmeuUt3yrImibBxfXzRl9joShTDzL6h1VacGwlEDYyReiwORJGegcWp+C x5NhFxsKH0X9kptmjL9n13ACGox3ZaLSsqFL47kn2v2VG91lrBoK2mDmU+N8XmfI /wfdBjrjhOtro8Q7zpHBFXZWbp3Xr+vEnIzg/Gpj1OINdSQ0n4I= =6N4d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --t27lEJvTK4c4mtpVLkdblyGrsdIvb9Xkk--