Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:115880 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 25263 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2021 15:06:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 2021 15:06:15 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CDA1804AD for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:40:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-ASN: AS15169 209.85.128.0/17 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-lf1-f43.google.com (mail-lf1-f43.google.com [209.85.167.43]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-f43.google.com with SMTP id g13so15189187lfj.12 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:40:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5xT2JefPwURA0rOo4Z5nOQh5JHwsfd7lGvatF9enV00=; b=gCjBfA20BO0Kdxm/bFEfR4+oBvH0+OZaoCImJCpjvNLX0Dv+S5yQwp1E7xMCx2dMIH kt6VQpKXZK2KsrTaMywW3W6EAI3SShVve8h2cgsx0DIjHTl0Mr1vYA3kG/EaKhalhgyU cEVSflEdk69O/kKeyWJvFqBT14fLjQbMBjRPRsbH1Ju8VHLub4u4Psz7spIhktxgtSS2 Y0WiGvmED7ztqr/XddKPvwV7VcrQc0OZUbnZoMz3n2xD+np8zkoMN4DztvBOCoYxDI7p avh8sFTw1HqNy8uQ9vGBIt9jf2KMOeft7fG/HPqLjUQyj2a2vrWAkXDUKj9H4GgLg3it To7g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5xT2JefPwURA0rOo4Z5nOQh5JHwsfd7lGvatF9enV00=; b=XoVGoyQi1auuDYRcbq0W/WI3RY2HYUPDij0RO69c+BVd6dzDIpAhTlQH7tCHtl5KqJ +qULrYuJL7QU+M27SQWnz+PECi0RsilUzz3q7zIEbOU1zHOl+kADFUIgLpzFEL8G/T7M hsNZlfDFOiSqHIjeEuR9S5dfw2YDywKFx5OogZruGwo9cxhN+z8GOQwiTcul7OrBvfKK zAeWsZLqBUXv43VGevFDzzjzH6zK5Go3bWflltuiWBaTQlBOYhWeMFci38ZU1Q7LxWXD GaY0EFxbb0zHTdhaCkZlF6Z3+1x8tQ1rRx+rQ/u99oTK6qqb8++AYUIbnipLdaurZbhl E3YQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5317ZBxs1kGthtgpGQXwVrdaLLPRkr1zN+yXyPyQ9SXA6i9hacvw WUj4Gv/JbV7ZMHIlBcBJQUJUwkUmZhupV/d7ypw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxBrdIoOoGkWg7sRL1n9nz5nnqDw+9IDgeqJq4bzFz6e6ZnotHXjQzsHlovOIJcS7hRgbduRm8iifxnyzDlbSA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:33ce:: with SMTP id d14mr7206377lfg.159.1630078857509; Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:40:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <775dc98a-b3c5-d498-71f7-9f19ff891f29@telia.com> <6127ded1.1c69fb81.6eaae.173cSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <61290629.1c69fb81.55eb5.0c48SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> In-Reply-To: <61290629.1c69fb81.55eb5.0c48SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 17:40:41 +0200 Message-ID: To: Ben Ramsey Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004202d105ca8c4f74" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: 8.1 / Exception / Property Type / Backwards compatbility From: nikita.ppv@gmail.com (Nikita Popov) --0000000000004202d105ca8c4f74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 5:35 PM Ben Ramsey wrote: > Nikita Popov wrote on 8/26/21 14:57: > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 8:34 PM Ben Ramsey wrote: > > > >> Nikita Popov wrote on 8/26/21 09:57: > >>> Right. I at least do not plan to address this issue. If you take a > >>> protected property and publicly re-export it, then any compatibility > >> issues > >>> are on you. > >> > >> This does not appear to affect only cases where one is re-exporting a > >> protected property as public. > >> > >> Exception protected properties without type hints: > >> > >> * PHP <= 8.0 - https://3v4l.org/GWmrk > >> * PHP 8.1 - https://3v4l.org/GWmrk/rfc > >> > >> > >> Exception protected properties with type hints: > >> > >> * PHP <= 8.0 - https://3v4l.org/UX1Pa > >> * PHP 8.1 - https://3v4l.org/UX1Pa/rfc > >> > > > > These are not really meaningful examples, because you could simply not > > redeclare the property at all and assign it in the constructor instead > (or > > preferably, let the parent constructor assign it). That's the normal way > to > > extend exceptions. What made the original case interesting is that the > > property redeclaration isn't immediately redundant there, because it > > changes visibility. > > If we don't want downstream users to redeclare the properties, why are > they protected? > To allow downstreams users to write $this->line = 123. Regards, Nikita --0000000000004202d105ca8c4f74--