Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:115515 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 97451 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2021 08:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 20 Jul 2021 08:49:14 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B651804D1 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 02:14:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail.stella-maris.solutions (mail.stella-maris.solutions [46.101.232.159]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 02:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.1.151] (heigl.gw.tgnet.de [80.72.250.242]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.stella-maris.solutions (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 12E6A810D0; Tue, 20 Jul 2021 09:14:24 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=heigl.org; s=mail; t=1626772464; bh=k3guVPg4klQIqQ+Mxl0h9JBP0DJcIVD4tuMT23PAtj0=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=IIOkj6PjEBxH5dK2bgM0r+fcDf/LdCzb74nCTW74XwazabtBCoiikukSFHHosgeK4 wyq5om/hCjYtxcdwkwv4amyQhMq/C1jdRoZXslMe4snx2t2WuqdfoogG6ZnW6rtEls MdQU4BggvbY3x09kBZo7NNBlgulNg43vduHNCKi2iJhxlSYtZokJx56fFVIj/l4Ozm izLMukrY3uVNB+Z6NZ6HtKWclRnkDBfKJcK60UhCuQfeP+cCbfVxtiO2xdjuCID+dy 6l38if2ES3A73vf3Hswa4kB9WznUXkTWH4r4wZ7rbNooGhW6ENjgAE41bSFfssS/1l xUdBzwc7LIjZg== To: Jordan LeDoux Cc: PHP internals References: <96487D08-8573-4308-A11C-3118113C03DA@gmail.com> <9d55f768-41d2-d970-8417-aa786d86b984@heigl.org> Message-ID: <1a1128b8-481f-1941-9adb-73577c0bdddd@heigl.org> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 11:14:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vAYnLbaEJ2HM5xuGdwnAzKxC6a6nMgLKl" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for karma to vote on RFCs From: andreas@heigl.org (Andreas Heigl) --vAYnLbaEJ2HM5xuGdwnAzKxC6a6nMgLKl Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="tlJBBPvENjvbHOqTdOFCDriwsIliQrGYH"; protected-headers="v1" From: Andreas Heigl To: Jordan LeDoux Cc: PHP internals Message-ID: <1a1128b8-481f-1941-9adb-73577c0bdddd@heigl.org> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for karma to vote on RFCs References: <96487D08-8573-4308-A11C-3118113C03DA@gmail.com> <9d55f768-41d2-d970-8417-aa786d86b984@heigl.org> In-Reply-To: --tlJBBPvENjvbHOqTdOFCDriwsIliQrGYH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Jordan, Hey All. Am 20.07.21 um 10:07 schrieb Jordan LeDoux: > Another aspect that I thought about after reading your draft was a way = to > structurally avoid concerns about stacking. I don't believe that there > would necessarily be overt efforts to grant karma to individuals to pus= h > certain concerns to the side, however it might be worth considering if = the > process could promote a variety of opinions and backgrounds. Even if su= ch a > situation were considered unlikely, it could be worth writing such a > process with that in mind if the process involves a sponsor. >=20 > As I said earlier, it makes sense for many reasons to require a sponsor= to > get voting karma, however this may unnecessarily make the applicant > associated with their sponsor or their sponsor's history and contributi= ons > (which could be a positive or negative to one person or the other). It = also > makes it less likely that a perspective which is totally unrepresented = gets > sponsored. This could also be a positive thing, as not all perspectives= are > truly relevant or constructive to all the processes. But it might be wo= rth > considering these impacts explicitly. >=20 > It's also worth considering if people believe that this is a process th= at > will be iterated on or if there is a desire to get it right the first t= ime > and stick with it. Perhaps if the intent is to iterate, or at least > explicitly revisit the criteria, the RFC could include an expiration at= > which time a vote to either keep or change the process could be held, w= hich > gives everyone clarity and certainty about the structure over a given > period. >=20 > Those are my immediate thoughts on your rough draft. I've incorporated the changes into a PR https://github.com/heiglandreas/rfc/pull/1/files and also added these concerns to the PR description. Either I'll see to it to incorporate them or if someone else wants to create a PR to discuss those concerns I'd be happy as well. 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