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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for karma to vote on RFCs
From: andreas@heigl.org (Andreas Heigl)

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Hey All

Am 19.07.21 um 17:02 schrieb Andreas Heigl:
> Hey All
>=20
> Am 19.07.21 um 16:34 schrieb Levi Morrison via internals:
>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:38 AM Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com> wr=
ote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 8:48 PM Tobias Nyholm <tobias.nyholm@gmail.co=
m>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey.
>>>> I would like to get karma to be able to vote on RFCs. I understand t=
hat
>>>> voting karma isn=E2=80=99t usually given out to people who write the=
ir first
>>>> mailing list entry.
>>>>
>>>> But I do believe I qualify as =E2=80=9CLead developers of PHP based =
projects
>>>> (frameworks, cms, tools, etc.)=E2=80=9D
>>>
>>> Hey Tobias,
>>>
>>> My response here is basically the same as the last time the topic cam=
e up:
>>> https://externals.io/message/110936#110937 Voting is just the very la=
st
>>> step of the RFC process, at which point the proposal can no longer be=

>>> influenced. If you have feedback about a proposal based on your exten=
sive
>>> experience in PHP's open source ecosystem, then the discussion phase =
is the
>>> time to provide it, while it can still influence the proposal, as wel=
l as
>>> other people's view of the proposal.
>>
>> I second this.
>>
>>> At least in my personal opinion, I think it's important that people g=
ranted
>>> voting rights as community representatives have at least some histori=
cal
>>> involvement in RFC discussions.
>>
>> I agree with this, but have no specific objection to granting Tobias
>> voting karma, as this is underspecified; how long should they
>> participate? What kinds of involvement are appropriate? Being
>> underspecified is not really their fault, and I don't feel like it
>> would be an abuse to grant them voting karma, but do think it would be=

>> an abuse to deny them voting karma indefinitely because "we" don't get=

>> around to specifying it. It should be less of a decision on a
>> case-by-case basis and more of a checklist.
>>
>=20
> Sounds like we need an RFC to make it clearer how voting karma for the
> RFC process will be granted in the future.

I have created a draft for an RFC to implement future rules for granting
voting karma.

If you want to contribute to that, feel free to open a PR against it[1].

To be able to make the future karma grants more trnasparent this needs
input from everyone: Opponoents as well as proponents!

I'm looking forward to a fruitful conversation and to a great RFC that
can move us to more transparency.

Cheers

Andreas

[1]
https://github.com/heiglandreas/rfc/blob/main/implement_future_rules_for_=
granting_voting_karma.md

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