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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 10:37:11 +0500
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for karma to vote on RFCs
From: office.hamzaahmad@gmail.com (Hamza Ahmad)

> Sounds like we need an RFC to make it clearer how voting karma for the
> RFC process will be granted in the future.

Yes, I agree. I would love to join that team, which is going to
prepare this RFC. Plus, I have shared some of the ideas in the
previous message.

Best

Hamza

On 7/19/21, Andreas Heigl <andreas@heigl.org> wrote:
> Hey All
>
> Am 19.07.21 um 16:34 schrieb Levi Morrison via internals:
>> On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:38 AM Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 8:48 PM Tobias Nyholm <tobias.nyholm@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey.
>>>> I would like to get karma to be able to vote on RFCs. I understand tha=
t
>>>> voting karma isn=E2=80=99t usually given out to people who write their=
 first
>>>> mailing list entry.
>>>>
>>>> But I do believe I qualify as =E2=80=9CLead developers of PHP based pr=
ojects
>>>> (frameworks, cms, tools, etc.)=E2=80=9D
>>>
>>> Hey Tobias,
>>>
>>> My response here is basically the same as the last time the topic came
>>> up:
>>> https://externals.io/message/110936#110937 Voting is just the very last
>>> step of the RFC process, at which point the proposal can no longer be
>>> influenced. If you have feedback about a proposal based on your
>>> extensive
>>> experience in PHP's open source ecosystem, then the discussion phase is
>>> the
>>> time to provide it, while it can still influence the proposal, as well
>>> as
>>> other people's view of the proposal.
>>
>> I second this.
>>
>>> At least in my personal opinion, I think it's important that people
>>> granted
>>> voting rights as community representatives have at least some historica=
l
>>> involvement in RFC discussions.
>>
>> I agree with this, but have no specific objection to granting Tobias
>> voting karma, as this is underspecified; how long should they
>> participate? What kinds of involvement are appropriate? Being
>> underspecified is not really their fault, and I don't feel like it
>> would be an abuse to grant them voting karma, but do think it would be
>> an abuse to deny them voting karma indefinitely because "we" don't get
>> around to specifying it. It should be less of a decision on a
>> case-by-case basis and more of a checklist.
>>
>
> Sounds like we need an RFC to make it clearer how voting karma for the
> RFC process will be granted in the future.
>
> Looking forward to your inputs.
>
> Cheers
>
> Andreas
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