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Reply-To: Levi Morrison <levi.morrison@datadoghq.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:34:03 -0600
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To: Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for karma to vote on RFCs
From: internals@lists.php.net ("Levi Morrison via internals")

On Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 2:38 AM Nikita Popov <nikita.ppv@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 8:48 PM Tobias Nyholm <tobias.nyholm@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey.
> > I would like to get karma to be able to vote on RFCs. I understand that
> > voting karma isn=E2=80=99t usually given out to people who write their =
first
> > mailing list entry.
> >
> > But I do believe I qualify as =E2=80=9CLead developers of PHP based pro=
jects
> > (frameworks, cms, tools, etc.)=E2=80=9D
>
> Hey Tobias,
>
> My response here is basically the same as the last time the topic came up=
:
> https://externals.io/message/110936#110937 Voting is just the very last
> step of the RFC process, at which point the proposal can no longer be
> influenced. If you have feedback about a proposal based on your extensive
> experience in PHP's open source ecosystem, then the discussion phase is t=
he
> time to provide it, while it can still influence the proposal, as well as
> other people's view of the proposal.

I second this.

> At least in my personal opinion, I think it's important that people grant=
ed
> voting rights as community representatives have at least some historical
> involvement in RFC discussions.

I agree with this, but have no specific objection to granting Tobias
voting karma, as this is underspecified; how long should they
participate? What kinds of involvement are appropriate? Being
underspecified is not really their fault, and I don't feel like it
would be an abuse to grant them voting karma, but do think it would be
an abuse to deny them voting karma indefinitely because "we" don't get
around to specifying it. It should be less of a decision on a
case-by-case basis and more of a checklist.