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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 12:27:23 +0200
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To: Tobias Nyholm <tobias.nyholm@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for karma to vote on RFCs
From: benjamin.morel@gmail.com (Benjamin Morel)

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>
> I know I=E2=80=99m not a =E2=80=9Cproject leader=E2=80=9D for any of the =
handful large PHP
> projects. I also know that I am far from the =E2=80=9Ctop 1000 best devel=
opers=E2=80=9D
> list. But I know that there are not many people (if any) that have a larg=
er
> impact of user-land PHP right now.
>
> (I do acknowledge that there are people with more impact over the Symfony
> community, the Laravel community, or the cool async community etc.)
>
> The only thing I=E2=80=99m asking for is to be among those 1000+ people t=
hat can
> vote on the language=E2=80=99s future.
>
> // Tobias
>


There was a discussion a year ago
<https://externals.io/message/107460#107465> about giving userland library
maintainers the right to do a semi-official vote, that would be non-binding
as far as the RFC is concerned, but would give people with RFC vote karma a
good idea of what the most influential userland library maintainers think
of a change in the language, so that they can take this variable into
account prior to voting themselves.

As a library author with 4 million downloads per month, it also crossed my
mind to request a right to vote on RFCs, but given previous discussions on
the topic, I understood that core maintainers are reluctant to give voting
rights to userland developers, whatever their influence, so I've restrained
myself from doing so so far.

I do understand the concern from core maintainers that if people voting on
RFCs are not the ones getting their hands dirty maintaining the codebase,
it can quickly become an issue. I would, however, strongly advise core
maintainers to consider the idea of performing an "official" library
maintainers vote before the actual vote takes place.

At the end of the day, we'll be the ones maintaining libraries that use
these new PHP features, that will have to provide compatibility for
multiple versions of PHP, etc. It would be nice if we could at least
formally give our opinion on each individual RFC. Yes, we can do so via the
mailing list, but this is just one message lost in the middle of a usually
verbose discussion, which is often discouraging to say the least.

=E2=80=94 Benjamin

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