Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:115477 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 70951 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2021 08:08:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2021 08:08:31 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE771804F4 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 01:33:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_NONE,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from processus.org (ns366368.ip-94-23-14.eu [94.23.14.201]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 01:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from authenticated-user (PRIMARY_HOSTNAME [PUBLIC_IP]) by processus.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D58DE5101324; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 08:33:26 +0000 (UTC) To: Lynn Cc: Kalle Sommer Nielsen , Tobias Nyholm , Internals References: <96487D08-8573-4308-A11C-3118113C03DA@gmail.com> <0ddf2ddc-762e-7ce6-2c3c-e2b0f55e584f@processus.org> Message-ID: <2a76525c-6d11-b9af-9d41-ff9fb18e4843@processus.org> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 10:33:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Authentication-Results: processus.org; auth=pass smtp.auth=pierre-php@processus.org smtp.mailfrom=pierre-php@processus.org X-Spamd-Bar: / Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Request for karma to vote on RFCs From: pierre-php@processus.org (Pierre) Le 19/07/2021 à 10:11, Lynn a écrit : > A vast majority of proprietary code depends on open-source community > written by the community. All your arguments are good ones, even if in my position I don't agree with everything. Nevertheless, I specifically don't agree with this one: a lot of proprietary code _uses_ open-source community code, but is not always tied to it. You're ignoring all projects that took the other direction, clean architecture, business libraries, dependency-free code, and others, whose goals are not to be dependent upon third party, but rather integrate with them in the software stack edges, making it both replaceable and discrete. I don't write "Symfony" projects, I write business domain projects, Symfony only brings a nice dependency injection container and a router I could both replace easily. In my use case, focusing on my code is what primarily matters, and I'm not denying language changes are impacting for open source software, but I trust PHP for always keeping its BC promise (and it does, probably thanks to "In fact, open-source package maintainers are often one of the first lines when it comes to PHP compatibility"), which at least resolve that. Regards, -- Pierre