Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:115266 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 94945 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2021 16:04:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2021 16:04:48 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FC62180502 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2021 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-oi1-f178.google.com (mail-oi1-f178.google.com [209.85.167.178]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 1 Jul 2021 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f178.google.com with SMTP id h9so7903441oih.4 for ; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 09:25:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+Cb8rk3J9FqakopdgwFdQchbaSRFiyK0gywi9lv2Duw=; b=VQO3jIRReVkpqIr8zq1V4Gj8PLvd3ViYTyQYrU9G8OhqzrZ641TUJSAsj51fE8GM4k Cb5K7lejlvw4P34qV+NeUqSzgNKn87AQc9ByTUflgmdZVbpzDifz6WkKB19SNSG8IWR3 XthrCgD1+SFoTrhR2uWBEab20ZWTwqImYDoYlbRV/JOSV7cRKzhwPJHZL33eVU8lngzX 3KtBURNojxZqqJ+DwP7iAbZsLWW88/zVTje9m16sJzMyn7xKh7HfXNcc9768sYJfHfjF dHT195FbEgnMZs7C0eObHZv9AImLEBqyZJeyKEfJqzZxz/3lEieeil42vWRjKnAvwbzw E/pg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+Cb8rk3J9FqakopdgwFdQchbaSRFiyK0gywi9lv2Duw=; b=AKTXy4qxF+hDhy3CE4au41X1KjHAWSLwR77k7DhWJtLtOso4McfQgG0ebzQWJbrRP0 eel9zftJWoGAJZ+Vgh223tWMUVI4Gk/dYWlhb/AcXX10bqWLPM901Ym72GOz/KObkfGT y4tuPKMbQCUCUcdnR2BZnyBylCDf+/pl34bgoTv8KUxtHd4ESeiy+B86cT5zWGh/xRNf W+Zk834OcYD6FCkHmfXrO4MIDHAYsT6QwQ7KxcuVceaeOCD+O1nCiY6vnOrt9IHCsXtI r5qyh8upJHfqptrhki8nkNYpI0ztG5UxLYYKY+3Tr5dpq4ECBXM5FRuHTaaqeRUXMPnD TlzA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531j3k/LCpdxUvjgwm99aAp6ZcEEhkTKat8b8sxx4FJYqdeiHaYe Zxhq8pCq9OYBe1hCZGs8Y4JV1yEhqzXH/GGOUbw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyQ7x8Y89BUk7y2FbGCpusW2GIltz6zEZlnW6I62Tcbiur2ic+7p1B9Tbfgv4xy8GKDUn7sXHN17/nQNtpeiaI= X-Received: by 2002:aca:4143:: with SMTP id o64mr247204oia.105.1625156718070; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 09:25:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 18:25:06 +0200 Message-ID: To: Deleu Cc: Larry Garfield , php internals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e2902f05c61248c4" Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Readonly properties From: ocramius@gmail.com (Marco Pivetta) --000000000000e2902f05c61248c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 6:06 PM Deleu wrote: > I honestly don't understand not wanting this just because of lack of > cloning. > Agreed: improvements on cloning ergonomics can come later. Also, the problem goes away the smaller your state becomes: this may encourage some design towards more granular data-structures. Marco Pivetta http://twitter.com/Ocramius http://ocramius.github.com/ --000000000000e2902f05c61248c4--