Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:115240 Return-Path: Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 38217 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2021 13:00:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php-smtp4.php.net) (45.112.84.5) by pb1.pair.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2021 13:00:36 -0000 Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6629C1804DB for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 06:20:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from sender4-op-o11.zoho.com (sender4-op-o11.zoho.com [136.143.188.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 06:20:50 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1625059245; cv=none; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; b=A9bu+vSfU6f0HfBx4hsKKY2it8lPNz7Yt/OMieKNd0U779g6dkkC/9K6tduXRpdIdI6jC3Jumv6/DKOzw9RimkaiL1AJk0Ydyo9YjwcZCUMxsbAqXfR9EdRsb3Q12c/WQAkluKoVQc3YIixkGJLQwjVr5RXTERD5k8vRL4nHqUU= ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zohomail.com; s=zohoarc; t=1625059245; h=Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:From:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Message-ID:References:Subject:To; bh=qPJzCidYPxb6lGxDTeMXr5aAUzMPMVI01wj02UKhNjQ=; b=lD6xpW+X+HJ/KU4/XNBjqUM2Nw8TiQh9+B5POmWkZYyC/uaNZe/vFni+bNLdThWM41p282a+oHuNHNkGmSvyyaAA/IZVWnegc48h42dVNv6pGZ3/KI3/VcipRnww3Mdj1suzCGtuOIeOoro0a2v4viT9eaZX5rtpE2Eqx7bL2T4= ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.zohomail.com; dkim=pass header.i=manuelcanga.dev; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=php@manuelcanga.dev; dmarc=pass header.from= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1625059245; s=zoho; d=manuelcanga.dev; i=php@manuelcanga.dev; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; bh=qPJzCidYPxb6lGxDTeMXr5aAUzMPMVI01wj02UKhNjQ=; b=YN+0YLK/G3W/7D2vO6PlC5iZMhHRdbC0D1jf/qiB+zCwNdhd3KymBaPFL42u7nHR UjGfnApbqPgE+h6L3eWzAKfGYQ0RbOw/GD2V4chVh5eCyz62AW4FJjm706UUD9uuv5L 5AHH/FY4cz0nAhLkZ80giW49WFzomaYdGv1iOW8E= Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1625059213428160.55172456833498; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 06:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 15:20:13 +0200 To: "G. P. B." Cc: "Internals" Message-ID: <17a5d13c061.1239e763788226.6762452577612536613@manuelcanga.dev> In-Reply-To: References: <17a588d53cc.f512f451993137.1114693900572862097@manuelcanga.dev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Importance: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Alternative syntax for Nowdoc. From: php@manuelcanga.dev (Manuel Canga) ---- En mi=C3=A9, 30 jun 2021 14:29:40 +0200 G. P. B. escribi=C3=B3 ---- > Ignoring the fact that this proposal is way past the cutoff date to be a= ble to make it into PHP 8.1 due to how the RFC process works,it seems that = this feature just came into your mind and you decided to send it onto the l= ist without considering its ramifications.Userland contribution and opinion= s on new features (or other internal discussion) is valuable but oughts to = consider all the ramifications, good and bad, and how it affects the langua= ge as a whole. I say this because I didn't do this when I started contribut= ing on this list and it made for less than stellar discussions. Hi, George, I am not an expert in developing programming languages. However, I don't ag= ree with that. When Dennis Ritchie and Brian Kernighan developed C. They didn't think in a= void pointers because of they thought what they could be dangerous. Surely when someone invented air planes, he didn't think of risks but oppor= tunities It was my fault. I thought that someone here would propose an idea and if t= his was useful, then everyone would find the best way to put it into code. With last Rowan email, I understood that this purpose is useless. However, = if it had been useful, I had expected answers like: "hey, Manuel, ``` is dangerous, why don't use other syntax like ... ? or "Manuel, why don't use this for heredoc ? In one word: Synergy. Why should this be done?. Because someone can read my purpose and can modif= y to something better, maybe a great change to the language. I think so.=20 Regards,=20 Manuel Canga