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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 16:11:59 +0500
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To: Manuel Canga <php@manuelcanga.dev>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Alternative syntax for Nowdoc.
From: office.hamzaahmad@gmail.com (Hamza Ahmad)

Hi Manuel,

If I am not wrong, is not your proposal similar to python's
triple-quoted? It is confusing; don't do this. Instead, current syntax
are sufficient. Second, (`) have special meaning in PHP. It is used to
execute commands on a machine. Why do we have confusing syntax?

Best

Hamza Ahmad


On 6/30/21, Manuel Canga <php@manuelcanga.dev> wrote:
>  ---- En mi=C3=A9, 30 jun 2021 11:03:32 +0200 Guilliam Xavier
> <guilliam.xavier@gmail.com> escribi=C3=B3 ----
>  > Hi,
>
> Hi Guilliam
>
>  > Maybe other syntax could be used, but I don't know which. In javascrip=
t
>  > > only a backtick is used:
>  > > https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2015/01/ES6-Template-Strin=
gs
> .
>  > > But in PHP this is used as eval.
>  > >
>  >
>  > Just a precision, because you keep referring to it as "eval", which
> makes
>  > me "tick" (haha): `$cmd` (i.e. $cmd wrapped in a pair of backticks) is
> the
>  > same as shell_exec($cmd), not eval($cmd).
>
> Yes, you're right.
>
>  > (BTW, one of JS "template strings" main selling points is string
>  > substitution / variable interpolation, which is explicitly *not* wante=
d
>  > with nowdoc [VS heredoc].)
>
> Yes, I mean that in JS is used some similar (although as you say with
> variables).
> I would prefer to use this "feature" with nowdoc. Normally, strings with
> variables are moved to views, while large literals (like queries) are add=
ed
> inline.
>
>  > As for the proposal, overall I agree with Rowan -- well, that would no=
t
> be
>  > exactly like single quotes (regarding [not] escaping them), but still
> "yet
>  > another way" to write a nowdoc string literal.
>
> I see this purpose as a simplification of Nowdocs. Just like `[]` with
> `array()`.
>
>  > PS: "amusingly", the code samples are hard to understand after rendere=
d
> on
>  > https://externals.io/message/115213
>
> ups!, I'm sorry...but, look at:
> https://externals.io/message/115213#115222
> Markdown is not broken here due to ``` of code.
>
> Regards,
> Manuel Canga
>
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